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1: Trinity: Arius and the Nicene Creed
The long discussion began with Arius, a presbyter in the church in Alexandria. He was a disciple of Lucian, who in turn was a student of Paul of Samosata, ... relationship of love as no other man had been. Therefore, God "adopted" Jesus after his crucifixion and resurrection and gave him a sort of deity. Three synods in Antioch dealt with Paul's teaching, and the third one (in 269) condemned and excommunicated Paul. These views deeply influenced Arius. Like the western Adoptionists, he was concerned about the unity of God. Therefore, he taught that the Father alone is without a beginning. The Son (or Logos) had a beginning; God created the Logos in order that he might create the world. ... raised no stir and certainly no 'Arian' controversy in the time of Justin, who, being heir to the Angel-Christology, taught practically the same thing. ... God. (R. P. C. Hanson, The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, The Arian controversy 318-381, p838) In the New Testament affirmations about the Son ... ...
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2: Biblical Trinity is not borrowed from the pagans!
... upon the form of the whole patristic theology, the doctrines of the Logos and the Trinity among the rest; and that the deeper minds of heathen ... More likely, however, is the influence of Jewish models. For in Judaism, as in the early Church, we find triadic formulae, and even formulae with four or more members. Justin combines the triad God, Christ and angel, with that of Father, Son and Spirit, to produce the fourfold (Apol., 1, ... Click to View Devil god of world Click to View Angels gods Click to View Man gods Click to View Documentation: Dr. Bruce M. Metzger, professor ... they regard Arius as a forerunner of Charles Taze Russell, the founder of their movement. (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1979, Arianism, Vol. ... Stated differently, from the perspective of Hindus, there is NO REAL DIFFERENCE between the Arian (JW's) view of God and Hinduism. The "Father ... Similarities don't mean that Christians borrowed from the pagans. Further they create a false dilemma by thinking that if there are ... ...
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3: Part1: Pagan Section: Trinity Watchtower BOOKLET: Should You ...
... The very next sentence in the quote is, "When the fact of revelation, understood in its full sense as the speech of God to man... earlier by the consistent worship of God in a trinitarian pattern and the practice of baptism into the threefold name of God." ... because Eliade views Logos Christology as influence by Greek paganism and an intermediate bridge between apostolic teaching and Arianism (Watchtower theology). Eliade specifically includes the Arian view as a later ... implies the divinity, as well as the personality, of Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and they are sufficient warrant for refusing ... since they did not exist then. organization larger than the local church headed in one city like Rome or Brooklyn. ... Justin Martyr, who died about 165 C.E., called the prehuman Jesus a created angel who is "other than the God who made all ... at 250 AD, the Watchtower simply can't find anyone yet who actually taught their false doctrine until about the time of Arius! ... ...
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4: Trinity Attackers refuted! (Watchtower's: Should You Believe ...
... The very next sentence in the quote is, "When the fact of revelation, understood in its full sense as the speech of God to man... earlier by the consistent worship of God in a trinitarian pattern and the practice of baptism into the threefold name of God." ... because Eliade views Logos Christology as influence by Greek paganism and an intermediate bridge between apostolic teaching and Arianism (Watchtower theology). Eliade specifically includes the Arian view as a later ... implies the divinity, as well as the personality, of Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and they are sufficient warrant for refusing ... since they did not exist then. organization larger than the local church headed in one city like Rome or Brooklyn. ... Justin Martyr, who died about 165 C.E., called the prehuman Jesus a created angel who is "other than the God who made all ... at 250 AD, the Watchtower simply can't find anyone yet who actually taught their false doctrine until about the time of Arius! ... ...
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5: Bible Only Revelation Commentary by Steven Rudd
... The author also owns 120+ additional Revelation commentaries in his Logos Software collection that span every point of view. Most of ... Jehovah's Witnesses make the same mistake in the Rich man and Lazarus by viewing the symbolic language of Luke 16:19 to represent ... O heaven, and you saints and apostles and prophets, because God has pronounced judgment for you against her." Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the ... slain on the earth. [crucifying Jesus and persecuting the church]." (Revelation 18:18-24) C. Jerusalem was the city of "Many ... Salmon married a Canaanite in 1390 BC c. Boaz married a Moabite in 1284 BC d. Jesse (David's father) married an Ammonite e. David ... She [the church] who is in Babylon [Jerusalem], chosen together with you, sends you greetings, and so does my son, Mark." (1 Peter ... claim that he was baptized on his death-bed in Nicomedia by the Arian Eusebius of Nicomedia, at which place he happened to die. ... ...
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6: Boer, Harry R.: A Short History of the Early Church
Boer, Harry R.: A Short History of the Early Church Click to View Harry R. Boer, A Short History of the Early Church quoted in, Should you ... but among those who were, three basic "parties" were discernible: Arius and the Lucianists, led by Eusebius of Nicomedia; the Origenists, ... the world God was alone and that there was no Son. ... When God desired to create the world, . . . he begot another divine being to create the world for him. This divine being was called . . . Son because he was born; he was called Logos because he was taken from the Reason or Mind ... In theology this relationship of the Son to the Father is called subordinationism. The Son is subordinate, that is, secondary to, dependent ... that Constantine is the catalyst of trinity doctrine is no stronger than the argument that Constantius is the catalyst of Arian doctrine. ... The early church accepted him as a man, and confessed and worshiped him as God. It placed him on the same level as the Father and the Holy ... ...
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7: Werner, Martin: The Formation of Christian Dogma
Wherever in the New Testament the relationship of Jesus to God, the Father, is brought into consideration, whether with reference to his appearance as a man or to his Messianic ... Thus Arius argued that a Son, who was, in like sense as God the Father, 'eternal' and consequently god-like, would no more be the Son, but the Brother of the Father. But now many Arians compromised to the effect that the Logos-Son was indeed not true God (but a high angelic-being), but that he was called God, this honour having been graciously bestowed upon him. With this God 'in the second place' the Arians would surely have raised no stir and certainly no 'Arian' controversy in the time of Justin, who, being heir to the Angel-Christology, taught practically the same thing. However, now they were convicted inexorably of polytheism and of deifying the creature. (The Formation of Christian Dogma, An Historical Study of its Problems; Martin Werner, p160) "Every significant theologian of the Church in the ... ...
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8: Commentary on what the early Christians believed about the Trinity
... Nicene Era "There is no theologian in the Eastern or the Western Church before the outbreak of the Arian Controversy [in the fourth ... Arian sense of the word; for they did not make the Son a creature but always put Him on the side of the creator. The New Testament writers do not witness to the Holy Spirit as fully and clearly as they do to the Son. (The Triune God, Edmund Fortman, p30-33) The one divine Logos-Son of the Church's teaching and the many gods of the Gnostic Plerotna had three fundamental characteristics in common: they had come forth from the Father ... Martin Werner, p234, Werner is a modernist who also advocates angel-Christology.) In the New Testament affirmations about the Son were ... The whole point of the great illustrative image which he, like his predecessors, employed, that of a man with his intellectual and ... son, Constantius, used his role as emperor to enforce Arianism, to exile pro-Nicene opponents and influence theology towards Arius. ... ...
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9: Encyclopædia Britannica
... the divine Logos- a pre-existent heavenly being- into the world: the Logos taking on a human body of flesh so as to be realized in history. ... as the involvement in Donatism followed that of Maxentius; but the Arian heresy, with its intricate explorations, couched in difficult ... Constanine's role as a Godly peacemaker The emperor's cherished aim was to reconcile Arius with the church, but Athanasius stubbornly refused ... since only he who was truly God could be deemed to have reconciled man to the God-head. (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1979, Arianism, Vol. ... The Son, thus, became a "second God, under God the Father"-i.e., he is God only in a figurative sense, for he belongs on the side of the creatures, even if at their highest summit. Here Arius joined an older tradition of Christology, which had already played a role in Rome in the early 2nd century-namely, the so-called angel-Christology. The descent of the Son to Earth was understood as the descent to Earth of the highest prince of ... ...
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10: Trinity proof texts: John 1:1
named them Man"), so too "God" can include both Father and Son as a class of being, as in John 1:1. Initial Comments: It is ... of "God" as a class of being in John 1:1, mirrors Gen 1:1 where "God" as a class of being created and made "man in our image". ... Father and the second exactly like we do, as a "class of being". The difference is that JW's define Jesus as a lessor class of being, and we, defining the two occurrences of God identically, as an equal class of being! Our position is irrefutably solid and the only consistent one. We do give honourable mention to the Modalists, (United Pentecostal church ... Bowman, Robert Bowman, All scholars agree that in John 1:1 "logos" is the subject and "theos" is the predicate. This sets the ... F. F. Bruce of the University of Manchester, England: "Much is made by Arian amateur grammarians of the omission of the ... The Trinity, J. H. Broughton, p 247, Christadelphian doctrine book] In the beginning, God had a plan to eventually create EVE, ... ...
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11: The Decepto-Meter goes crazy when you bring it near the Watchtower ...
is where anti-Trinitarians lead the reader to falsely conclude that if Jesus is subordinate to the Father, that Jesus must be a creature. ... Trashes whole of Core Christianity Reade, Winwood The Martyrdom of Man Satanic Quote Christianity Trasher This is one of the Watchtower's ... JW's leave the impression that Weigall would exempt JW's from his comments! In fact, Weigall specifically addresses the Watchtower/Arian/Jw view of God known as Angel-C... JW's project the false impression that ancient Babylonians would not label the Watchtower version of God as a Triad. (Father-true God, Son... Click to View Lamson, Alvan The Church of the First Three Centuries Accurate quoting but, Self-quoting Self-Quoting: Unitarian To quote a ... New Bible Dictionary Deceptive Quote & False Dilemma Trinitarian Source views Logos Christology as influence by Greek paganism and an ... Oxford Companion to the Bible False Dilemma Trinitarian anti-Trinitarians create a false dilemma by projecting the false impression in the ... ...
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12: Encyclopedia of Pentecostal History of Tongues: 150 AD - 1901 ...
... of God" and affirmed that they "do speak in all languages, as he (Paul, DRS) used himself to speak, in like manner." (Neander, famous ecclesiastical historian, Church History, Volume II, page 6, 1) Irenaeus refused the abuses and fakery of those who sought to exercise the gift with no divine right. He related how a man named Marcus, an ... gift), since the Father of all doth continually behold thy angel before His face." ... "Now the place of thy angel is among us: it behooves us to become one. ... Ante-Nicene Fathers: Volume I. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997.) Scriptures complete: True knowledge is ... to see the glory of Christ, to which the Father bears witness, saying, "This is My beloved Son in whom I am well-pleased." ... gift of tongues seems, at first view, to be an exercise so wide of intelligence, as to create no impression of respect. ... Hamilton, p 90) 1881 Jehovah's Witnesses (Catholics with Arian theology) Click to View Click to View Go to Jehovah's ... ...
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13: Trinity proof texts: John 8:58
Jesus could have merely stated He was an angel (exactly what Jehovah's Witnesses believe) and the Jews would not stone ... Father of truth, and the Son, who is the truth; and these, while they are two, considered as persons or subsistences, are one in unity of thought, in harmony and in identity of will. So entirely are they one, that he who has seen the Son, ... to be God by offering divinity, which if He were not God He could not give. If Christ was only man, how did He say, "Before Abraham was, I Am? " For no man ... John 1:1 also points to Jesus' preexistence as the Logos: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God." ... How come the "faithful and discrete slave" got it wrong for so long? Jehovah's Witnesses actually believe that Arius, ... the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place, But formed it to be inhabited), "I am ... Anti-Trinitarian rebuttal #6 refuted Click here for detailed examination of Arian Biased translations. The ... ...
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14: The Historical Development of "Arian style" (Jehovah's Witness ...
Subordination Within The Godhead The Historical Development of "Arian style" (Jehovah's Witness) Unitarian Subordination: "The Apologists were, in a sense, the Church's first theologians: the first to attempt a sketch of trinitarian doctrine and an intellectually satisfying explanation of Christ's relation to God the Father. They identified Christ with God, with the Logos, with the Son of God, but they seemed to count His Sonship not ... This set the stage for Arius, one of the pivotal figures in the development of trinitarian dogma. The idea of a 'diminished god' he found repugnant. Christ, he declared. must be either ... And thus the subordinationist tendency in the Apologists and Origen reached full term. Now the Church had to make its faith and its position clear, and it did this at the Council of Nicea ... only one differs from the creatures, an indefinable being who only becomes God in becoming man, and who is neither God nor man." (Outlines of the History of Dogma, Adolf Harnack, p251) ... ...
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15: Biblical Subordination expressed by early Fathers and apologists ...
21) "There is no theologian in the Eastern or the Western Church before the outbreak of the Arian Controversy, who does not in some sense regard the Son as subordinate to the Father." (The ... The slogan of Arius and his allies soon came to be this: "There was when he was not." (Gods and the One God, Robert M. Grant, p160) All the great pre-Nicene theologians represented the subordination of the Logos to God." ... "Every significant theologian of the Church in the pre-Nicene period, had actually represented a Subordinationist Christology. (The Formation of Christian Dogma, An Historical Study of its Problems; Martin Werner, p125, 234, Werner is a modernist who also advocates angel-Christology) To some extent Origen was a subordinationist, for his attempt to synthesize strict monotheism with a Platonic hierarchical order in the Trinity could have and did have only a subordinationist result. He openly declared that the Son was inferior to the Father and the Holy Spirit to the Son. But he ... ...
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16: Trinity: The role of Constantine in the Nicene creed
... In fact they were simply concerned with maintaining the traditional Logos-theology of the Greek-speaking Church" "The Church had to face up to the Arian question and go on record for or against the Arian answer. It did this at Nicea. Though there may be doubt about the understanding of 'consubstantial' at Nicea, there can be no doubt about the historical and dogmatic importance of the Council itself. For there the Church definitively rejected the answer that Arius gave to the question he put: Is the Son God or creature? The Council firmly rejected Arius' contention that the Son was a ... Constantine, like his father, worshipped the Unconquered Sun; But there was Christian influence in his houselhold since he had a half-sister named Anastasia (anastasis = resurrection). At the crisis of ... us men, and for our salvation came down and was incarnate and became man; he suffered, and the third day he rose again, ascended into heaven; from whence he will come to judge the quick and the dead. ... ...
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17: Grant, Robert M.: Gods and the One God
Tatian too has a Logos doctrine but speaks of Christ as "the God who suffered." Similarly, Clement refers to Christ as God. In spite of these points, the ... In other words, we find the materials for such a doctrine but not a doctrine as such. (Gods and the One God, Robert M. Grant, p156) "Arianism: Before Nicaea, Christian theology was almost universally subordinationist. Theology almost universally taught that the Son was subordinate to the Father, but Arius expressed this kind of Christology in ... Anti-Trinitarians create a false dilemma in the mind of the reader by projecting the false illusion that if Jesus is subordinate to the Father, that he cannot be God! A wife is subordinate to her husband, but is equal in nature. Her rank is lower, but she is made of the identical stuff as the man! Full Text: "An anonymous ... Since he himself refers to "our compassionate God and Lord, Jesus Christ" as well as to "the compassionate Church of the merciful Christ," he obviously represents ... ...
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18: Sola Scriptura: Mistakes made by the Apostolic Fathers based ...
...Arius was a presbyter of the Church of Alexandria in the early fourth century. The controversy began with his interpretation of Proverbs 8:22ff., where Solomon speaks of Wisdom: The Lord created Me at the beginning of His work, the first of His acts of old (RSV). Everyone, both Orthodox and Arian, understood Wisdom to be Christ. The question was, what does this verse mean. Arius' answer was that the Logos is a creature, albeit the highest, noblest, and best of creatures. Those who sought to uphold the Orthodox doctrine that Christ is the uncreated Son of God ... correct?" (THE WAY: What Every Protestant Should Know About the Orthodox Church, Clark Carlton, 1997, p 102) Carlton, is always looking for ways to trash ... For what man of right understanding does not perceive, that what are created and made are external to the maker; but the Son, as the foregoing argument has shewn, exists not externally, but from the Father who begat Him?" (Athanasius, Bishop of Alexandria, De Decretis or Defence ... ...
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19: Fortman, Edmund: The Triune God
It tells us of His Word, Wisdom. Spirit, of the Messiah He will send, of a Son of Man and a Suffering Servant to come. But it tells us nothing explicitly or by necessary ... To study the gradual transition from an unformulated Biblical witness to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit to a dogmatic formulation of a doctrine of the Triune God, we look first to the Eastern Church where most of this development took place. The Apostolic Fathers were witnesses to the ... The Apologists were, in a sense, the Church's first theologians ... They identified Christ with God, with the Logos, with the Son of God, but they seemed to count His Sonship ... He openly declared that the Son was inferior to the Father and the Holy Spirit to the Son. But he was not an Arian subordinationist for he did not make the Son a creature and ... This set the stage for Arius, one of the pivotal figures in the development of trinitarian dogma. The idea of a 'diminished god' he found repugnant. Christ, he declared. must ... ...
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20: Catholic Encyclopedia's and Dictionaries
... In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son'. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This the Church teaches is the revelation regarding 'God's nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man ... Testament, but that it was first formulated in the second century and received final approbation in the fourth, as the result of the Arian and Macedonian controversies ... ... John's doctrine as to the Person of Christ and the Logos doctrine of the Alexandrine Philo, to which many Rationalists have attempted to trace it see LOGOS.) In regard to the ... The Septuagint translators do not even venture to render the words God the Mighty literally, but give us, in their place, "'the angel of great counsel". A still higher stage ... ...
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21: Eliade, Mircea: Encyclopedia of Religion
In the immediate post New Testament period of the Apostolic Fathers no attempt was made to work out the God-Christ (Father-Son) relationship in ontological terms.(The ... and Pauline theology with the Logos ("word") of Greek philosophy.(The Encyclopedia of Religion, Mircea Eliade, Trinity, Vol 15, p53-57) Our comment Trinitarians agree! ... than the local church! (are you listening Brooklyn?)" Jw's use this quote to create a false dilemma: They think that this quote proves trinity wrong. Actually the quote is right and the same encyclopedia openly states that Jesus was considered God in the Bible! But Eliade clearly states that the ontology (stuff God is made of) was not even considered until the later centuries. He specifically includes the Arian view as a later development and not the original apostolic faith! ... Largely because of the theology of Arius, who about 320 denied that Christ was fully divine, the Council of Nicaea (325) taught that Christ is homoousios (of the same ... ...
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22: Frend, W.H.C.: The Rise of Christianity
How the Anti-Trinitarians Paraphrased the source "the controversial term, defining the son as Consubstantial with [homoousios] the father was introduced by Constantine. The term was objectionable to any Origenist bishop and ... Future generations have tended to dub them "Semi-Arian." In fact they were simply concerned with maintaining the traditional Logos-theology of the Greek-speaking Church" Anti-Trinitarians deceive you into thinking that the "majority who disliked" the Nicene creed, were aligned with the Arians who taught Jesus was a creature. The "majority who disliked" firmly believed that Jesus was God, they didn't like the Greek ... Though the exact course of events is uncertain, it seems that the bishops soon found themselves divided into three main groups. There was Arius and his immediate supporters, ... men and for our salvation, came down and was made flesh, and became man, suffered, and rose on the third day, ascended into the heavens; is coming to judge the living and dead. ... ...
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23: Biblical Subordination expressed by scholars
of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds of the early church." (New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Brown, Colin, 1932, ... Nor were they subordinationists in intention or words, if subordinationist is understood in the later Arian sense of the word; for they did not make the Son a creature but ... But the Apologists are not quite clear on this point and rather seem to say no. For them. if the origination of the Logos from God is eternal, the generation of the Logos as Son seems rather to be pre-creational but not eternal, and it is effected by the will of the Father. This view. if compared with later ... into consideration, whether with reference to his appearance as a man or to his Messianic status, it is conceived of and represented categorically as subordination. ... Werner, p125, Werner is a modernist who also advocates angel-Christology) Rationalist critics lay great stress upon the text: "The Father is greater than I" (xiv, 28). ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-subordination-scholars.htm
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24: Weigall, Arthur: The Paganism in Our Christianity
JW's leave the impression that Weigall would exempt JW's from his comments! In fact, Weigall specifically addresses the Watchtower/Arian/Jw view of God known as Angel-Christology, ... p101, quoting, The Paganism in Our Christianity, Arthur Weigall, 1928, p136) The Church made a sacred day of Sunday ... "largely because it was the weekly festival of the ... The idea of "blood atonement for sins" is of pagan origin: p152,158 Jesus "Begotten of God" is of pagan origin: p169 Incarnate Logos of Jn 1:1 is of pagan origin, The "pre-existent angel" is a 4th century concept: p172,173-175 The Trinity is of pagan origin: p182 The ... be "critically edited"] they place before us with absolutely unmistakable authenticity the historic figure of a young man, the son of a carpenter, who went about the country preaching.... ... rock shrine in which the god Tammuz or Adonis was worshipped, as the early Christian Father, Jerome, tells us; and its adoption as the scene of the birth of our Lord was one of ... ...
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25: Trinity proof texts: Philippians 2:5-8
... Introduction to Philippians 2:6-8: 1. TRUTH: When God the son, creator, emptied himself of equality with God the Father, and became a man through the incarnation, and submissive to the Father forever, THAT is an example of humility that is both rational and amazing! ... Exactly what value is there in Paul telling us that Jesus never "grasped at" equality with God if he is a mere creature? Even worse, how it is considered humble to not consider doing something that is impossible for any creature to achieve and therefore delusional? Any creature, angel or man who ... But even if that was true it still doesn't help them in Phil 2:6. Our approach lays the axe at the root of the false doctrine! c. The "Arian ... the incarnation. 4. Christadelphians and those who teach "logos theology" believe that Jesus had no existence before the virgin birth. a. ... Wiersbe's Expository Outlines on the New Testament · There is the suggestion in this passage of disunity in the Philippian church (see also ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-philippians2-6.htm
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26: Harnack, Adolf: Outlines of the History of Dogma
... the background lie deep contradictions: A Son who is no Son, a Logos which is no Logos, a monotheism which does not exclude polytheism, two or three who are to be adored, while really only one differs from the creatures, an indefinable being who only becomes God in becoming man, and who is neither God nor man." (Outlines of the History of Dogma, Adolf Harnack, p251) Even religious syncretism is already ... Our comment Harnack labels the JW's view of Jesus (Arian) as polytheism and that Arius's views were borrowed from Greek pagan thought! Harnack says that the apostle Paul was influence by ... Harnack says that the church had made no compromise with Paganism up to the 3rd century and considers Arian's views as a major Pagan intrusion! Again the very opposite of what JW's wish Harnack ... volume of which had appeared in 1885. The publication of the multivolume Dogmengeschichte introduced Harnack to a lifetime of theological controversy and lead to a painful break with his father. ... ...
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27: Hastings, James: Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics
... the history of the displacement of the Logos-conception by that of the Son, of the substitution of the immanent and absolute Trinity for the economic and relative. ... of God, and of the communion of the Holy Ghost; and the theologians of the ancient Church sought to set forth the Christian experience in logical terms of reason. ... In absolute deception, the Watchtower writers, who understands the difference between economic and ontological trinity, create a false dilemma in the mind of the ... explain their view of God to the Hindu's (Father-true God, Son-a god and Holy Spirit-the force or energy of God), that the Hindus would immediately label JW's as TRINITARIANS or TWINITARIANS! Stated differently, from the perspective of Hindus, there is NO REAL DIFFERENCE between the Trinitarian view of God and the Arian (JW's) view of God. ... In other religions and philosophies we meet with the idea of divine incarnation: but it may be claimed that nowhere is the union of God and man so concrete and ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Hastings.htm
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28: Nimrod and the Archaeology of the Tower of Babel by Steven Rudd ...
... Be immersed in water for the remission of your sins. Then: Attend a Bible Believing church every Sunday. Map of Nimrod's kingdom in 3200 BC "The beginning ... Patron god of the Tower of Babel (Eridu), son of Anu, brother to Inana. In Sumerian literature, Enki defied the supreme gods and warned "Noah" to build ark and was responsible for the division of languages. 6. Enlil/Ellil/Bel/Marduk: god of Jupiter. Petitioned his father An/Anu to decree "noisy man" be destroyed with flood so he could sleep. Brother of Enki and Inana/... 1. Gen 10-11 is specifically designed by the Holy Spirit in order to create a time marker for the tower of Babel by listing 2 generations of ... This author searched his 11,000 volume Logos library and found only 16 books suggesting a connection between Nimrod and Sargon I, but all of them also ... Another "Nimrod false doctrine"! g. Domino #7: Rejecting Jesus as God and making him into a creature/angel, destroys the Bible doctrine of the Trinity. h. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/nimrod/welcome.htm
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29: Bulwarks of the Faith Foy E Wallace JR. Refuting Dogmas Catholicism ...
... It becomes the source of new life, forming again and moulding anew the lives and hearts of all who accept it. Jesus was referred to as "the Prince of life"-Acts 3:15; and the angel bade Peter to "Go, stand and speak ... It was taught that the purpose of the apostolic writings was not to create a permanent spiritual literature for the church anyway, that their writings served only the time in which they lived, and that continuous ... Published in the Third Session, held April 24, 1870 Pius, Bishop, Servant of the Servants of God, with the Approval of the Sacred Council, for Perpetual Remembrance. Our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and Redeemer of Man-kind, before returning to his heavenly Father, promised that he would ORIGIN AND EVILS OF ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH be with the ... HISTORY OF VATICAN COUNCIL, ETC. Pope Liberius, in 358, subscribed an Arian creed for the purpose of regaining his episcopate, and condemned Athanasius, 'the father of orthodoxy,' when mentions the fact with ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/catholic/Catholic-church-doctrine-Bulwarks-of-the-Faith-Foy-E-Wallace-JR-Refuting-Dogmas-Catholicism-Protestant-Denominationalism-1951AD.htm
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30: Encyclopedia of Pentecostal ministries and preachers
... Branham taught that gifts of the Holy Spirit could be transmitted through the laying on of hands via a man who possessed such gifts. He believed ... Babylon false church - he was still revered as a true prophet by almost every major Pentecostal and Charismatic ministry (who are Trinitarian). ... sin involved sexual relations with the serpent, but the "seed of God" were Branham's followers, otherwise known as "the Bride" or "the New ... examine your baptism of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, and that false 'trinity' it's so-called..." (William Braham, "Revelation Chapter Four #3 (Throne of Mercy and Judgment)" (Voice of God Recordings, Inc., 1961, audio tape #61-0108, side 2) The angel spoke to William Branham ... Charles Capps, Authority in Three Worlds (Tulsa, OK: Harrison House, 1982, p76-85) (Note: this is the Arian view of the Godhead taught by ... However, if this revival is not of God, then Cho must be receiving messages from another source. "You create the presence of Jesus with your ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/tongues-encyclopedia-pentecostal-preachers.htm
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31: mormon church: Critical Essay written in 1832 AD
... all the land, and over all the churches.' - p.349. 'And those who did belong to the church were faithful, yea all those who were true believers in Christ took upon them gladly ... my name, that your wives and your children may be blessed.' 'Meet often, and forbid no man from coming unto you when you shall meet together.' - p. 492. Nephi was chief among the ... He commanded these Nephites to be called christians. The book of Nephi the son of Nephi, gives, in four pages, the history of 320 years after Christ. In the thirty-sixth year, all ... Mormon was very orthodox, for he preached in these words, //10// A.D. 362: - 'That Jesus was the very Christ and the very God.' He must have heard of the Arian controversy by some angel!! Moroni finishes what Mormon his father, left undone, and continues the history, till A.D. ... the earth, and proves that miracles will never cease; because God is the same yesterday, to day, and forever - consequently must always create suns, moons, and stars, every day!! ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/mor-1831-review-campbell.htm
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32: Scientology: Hubbard and the Occult
... He called his new subject Scientology, claiming that the name derived from "scio" and "logos" and meant "knowing how to know". However, Hubbard ... In the Crowleyite system, adherents seek contact with their "Holy Guardian Angel". John Whiteside Parsons, usually known as Jack, first met ... Parsons was besotted with Crowley's Sex Magick, and had recently become head of the Agape Lodge of the Church of Thelema in Los Angeles. The Agape ... Further, the secret IXth degree ritual of the Ordo Templi Orientis (019) contains "Of the Homunculus" in which the adept seeks to create a human embodiment of one of the energies of nature - a god or ... In fact, the two black magicians never met, and Crowley expressed a very low opinion of the man who he saw had tricked his disciple Jack Parsons. ... Hubbard's eldest son, although a questionable witness, was insistent that his father taught him magic and privately referred to the goddess as Hathor. The Blood Ritual confirms this assertion if nothing else. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/scientology-occult-roots.htm
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33: The ministry of Dr. Hugh Ross exposed
... years from the creation of Adam, the first man, to the flood. Anyone can figure out this interval of time in a few minutes from Genesis 5 and 7:6. The record is presented as a straightforward father-to- son genealogy with no gaps, but even if there ... After referring to Josephus, Dr. Ross cites examples of heroic "early church fathers" who believed in long periods of time for the ... Origen believed that rational beings were created as spirits and as they became negligent in their adoration of God they fell varying amounts into different categories, some becoming angels, some human beings, and some demons. Jesus Christ, the Logos, was the exception. He did not fall at all. But still this makes Him subordinate to the Father, being at first on the same level as created beings. For this Jerome, among others, considered Origen to be the precursor to the Arian ... As to man he says (Leaflet #8909), "Starting about 2 to 4 million years ago, God began to create man-like mammals or 'hominids.' ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-hugh-ross.htm
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34: George Salmon's Infallibiliy of the church
... The second part of Taylor's Dissuasive contains a complete catena of Fathers establishing by their consent this principle, which no Father ... that is not there, is most manifestly forbidden by the Apostle saying, 'If it be but a man's testament, no man addeth thereto."' [1431 d. ... He established this caution by the texts, "Though we or an angel from heaven preach any Gospel to you besides that ye have received, let him ... of him who endeavors to maintain the cause of heretics against the Church of God; for, among other things, either insolent or irrelevant, or ... of his Empire...devised the magnificent plan of assembling all the bishops of Christendom, and obtaining their verdict on the Arian dispute. ... The bringing it together was entirely the Emperor's idea. 1289] 4). Arius had less than a score of bishops take his side at Nicaea; and we ... of faith in which thou hast called me the Son of the living God,' as Hilary, and Gregory Nyssen, and Chrysostom, and Cyril of Alexandria. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/cath-salmon-infallibility.htm
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35: False Doctrine of Modalism: As taught by the United Pentecostal ...
Modalism: As taught by the United Pentecostal Church (UPCI) Click to View See also: "Sixty Questions On The Godhead" refuted A False View of God: Click to View Definition: Think of a being that can "morphe", "shape shifter" from one form into another. There is only one being at any one time. Modalism views God as a being that has three different forms. Sometimes God exists in the "form" the "Father", sometimes the "Son", ... God takes on three modes or roles. They appear to be three different men, but in fact they are the same man wearing different names and clothes only but inside it is the same man! A single ... Two of the most heretical aspects of Modalism is first, that Jesus Christ had no pre-existence before his incarnation. They take the identical "logos-theology" view that the ... is combined not only with "mystery" elements but also with other kinds of observance: "angel worship" (2:18); "visions" (2:18); "festival" (2:16); "new moon" (2:16); and "Sabbath" (2:16). ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-modalism.htm
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36: Official creed of the Orthodox church
The Eastern Greek Orthodox Church Click to View His All Holiness Bartholomew: Archbishop of Constantinople and New Rome, Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople Click to View Organization and ... GOD THE FATHER: GOD THE FATHER is the fountainhead of the Holy Trinity. The Scriptures reveal the one God is Three Persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- eternally sharing the one divine nature. From the Father the Son ... JESUS CHRIST is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, eternally born of the Father. He became man, and thus He is at once fully God and fully man. His coming to earth was foretold in the Old ... Holy Spirit, which, being God, is without sin, and of the Virgin Mary after her cleansing of original sin by the Holy Spirit when the Angel announced to her the conception and birth of Christ. ... they reject an express teaching of Christ, and they do not differ from Arius, who was condemned as a heretic for the same misbelief, that Christ is not God without beginning as the Father is. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/cr-Orthodox.htm
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37: Hanson, Richard Patrick Crossland: The Search for the Christian ...
Creates a false dilemma in the mind of the reader by projecting the false illusion that if Jesus is subordinate to the Father, that he cannot be God! Hanson, Richard Patrick Crossland: The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, The Arian controversy 318-381 Quoted by Anti-Trinitarians "There is no theologian in the Eastern or the Western Church before the outbreak of the Arian Controversy [in the fourth century], who does not in some sense regard the Son as subordinate to the Father." (The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, R. P. C. ... They misrepresent Grant by failing to note that he clearly states Jesus is divine. Anti-Trinitarians create a false dilemma in the mind of the reader by projecting the false illusion that if Jesus is subordinate to the Father, that he cannot be God! A wife is subordinate to her husband, but is equal in nature. Her rank is lower, but she is made of the identical stuff as the man! What else they failed to quote: "A characteristic ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Hanson.htm
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38: Early Christian faith on Trinity, deity of Christ, personality ...
Son and in the Holy Spirit" (Apology 16). 150 AD Justin Martyr 150 AD Justin Martyr "The Father of the universe has a Son, who also being the first begotten Word of God, is even God." ... Christ was to suffer, to be worshipped, and [to be called] God, and which I have already recited to you, do refer indeed to Christ." (Dialogue with Trypho, ch 68) 150 AD Justin Martyr "But if you knew, Trypho," continued I, "who He is that is called at one time the Angel of great counsel, and a Man by Ezekiel, and like the Son of man by Daniel, and a Child by Isaiah, and Christ and God to be worshipped by David, and Christ ... the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Logos; and on another occasion He calls Himself Captain, when He appeared in human form to Joshua the son of Nave (Nun). ... Now, the scriptures would not have testified these things of Him, if, like others, He had been a mere man. (Irenaeus Against Heresies, chapter xix.2) 180 AD Irenaeus "For the Church, ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/H-trinity.htm
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39: TRINITY: Christology: Diety and Humanity of our Savour!
God the Son, becomes a man Incarnation of Jesus Philippians: 2:1-11 Detailed study of Phil 2:6 Logical Fallacies lead to false conclusions: Unitarian False dilemmas exposed 1. God ... Trinitarian False dilemmas exposed 1. God cannot be tempted 2. Jesus is God 3. Conclusion: Jesus was never tempted Introduction: 1. God the Son is Jesus Christ (Messiah) a. Eternally pre-existent b. Creator not a creature: Rom 1:25 c. God, but distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit d. In heaven, ... This is the deceiver and the antichrist." (2 John 7) f. This proves that the apostolic view of the first century church was that Jesus was eternal, creator God become flesh in the incarnation. 3. During the Nicene era (AD 325) the great battle between those who believed Jesus was creator God, vs. Arius who taught that ... (The Triune God, Edmund Fortman, introduction, p.xv) 4. GOD THE SON ... the Gospel According to John, which regards the figure of Jesus Christ as the divine Logos become flesh. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-deity-of-christ.htm
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40: Earnest Haenchen: 1984 English translation of Haenchen's commentary ...
Phil 2:6-10 proves that. In that passage Paul depicts just such a divine being, who later became man in Jesus Christ. . . . Thus, in both Philippians and John 1:1 it is not a matter of a dialectical relationship between ... on the Gospel of John Chapters 1-6, pages 108-10, translated by Robert W. Funk., as quoted by the Watchtower, December 15, 1985, p 25; Note: patripassianism is the heresy that teaches that God the Father died on the cross. ... Just like a husband and wife share the same class of being yet the husband has rank over the wife, so too with the Father and the son. Haenchen says: "But there was no rivalry between the Logos as theos and as ho theos (in English the distinction is expressed by "divine" and "God"); the new (Christian) ... Jehovah's Witnesses, through selective satanic quoting, mislead the reader to conclude that Haenchen is arguing in favour of the Watchtower's Arian view of Jesus as a lessor created god. Jehovah's Witnesses have no idea what the ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Haenchen.htm
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41: Kittel, Gerhard: Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
Kittle refers to the threefold formulae IN THE BIBLE ITSELF, not later trinitarian dogma! Do Arians believe that polytheism influenced the text in 2 Cor 13:13 and Mt 28:19? Kittel's comments do not exclude the Arian view (JW's) of God from his comment, for JW's are just as ... Kittel's does suggest that this begetting could refer to the human phase of Jesus existence, "When Jn. speaks of the Son of God, he has primarily in view the man Jesus Christ". but even if this is so, Kittel denies it means Jesus is a creature. To prove that mono-genes does not ... More likely, however, is the influence of Jewish models. For in Judaism, as in the early Church, we find triadic formulae, and even formulae with four or more members. Justin combines the triad God, Christ and angel, with that of Father, Son and Spirit, to produce the fourfold (Apol., 1, 6). Eph. 4:4 ff. has spirit and lord, and then God. This is even more complicated than the formula in S. Bar. 85:14: One law through one, one ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Kittel.htm
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42: Douglas, J. D. & Bruce F. F.: New Bible Dictionary
its faith in the deity of Christ, and the necessity to defend it, that first compelled the Church to face the duty of formulating a full doctrine of the Trinity for its rule of faith." (New Bible ... The earliest foreshadowing is contained in the narrative of the creation, where Elohim is seen to create by means of Word and Spirit (Gn. i. 3). (New Bible Dictionary, J. D. Douglas & F. F. Bruce, Trinity, p 1298) It is thought that Gn. i. 26 ('And God said, Let us make man in our image and after our likeness') implies that a revelation of the Triune God had been given ... the New Testament apostolic blessing. (New Bible Dictionary, J. D. Douglas & F. F. Bruce, Trinity, p 1298) The apostolic conception of the Holy Ghost and of His relation to the Father and the Son is clear from Acts. ... The revelation of redemption was entrusted to the tnal'ak Yahweh, the Messenger of Yahweh, sometimes referred to as the Angel of the covenant. We do not claim that in every Old Testament passage in which ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Douglas.htm
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43: Trinity Proof Texts: 58 Triadic Bible Texts
Click to View A refutation of Anti-Trinitarian rebuttals to this material. Click to View Use this material as an interactive Bible class in church! Analysis of Triadic Texts showing interchangeability of ... Isaiah 63:8-10 My people, sons angel of His presence Grieved His Holy Spirit 2 Corinthians 13:14 love of God grace of the Lord Jesus Christ fellowship of the Holy Spirit Interchangeability of "name": Text Father Son Holy Spirit Matthew 28:19 baptizing them in the name of the Father name of the Son name of the Holy Spirit Acts 10:44-48 exalting God baptized in the name of Jesus ... Ephesians 3:16-17: "that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through ... We openly admit that the underlying assumption when reading the New Testament, is the doctrine of the trinity. Your underlying assumption when you read the Bible is Arian. Logically, you are correct in ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-text-triadic.htm
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44: Development from the trinity as taught in the Bible and the trinity ...
... faith in the deity of Christ, and the necessity to defend it, that first compelled the Church to face the duty of formulating a full doctrine of the Trinity for its rule of faith." (New Bible Dictionary, J. D. Douglas & F. F. Bruce, Trinity, p 1298) In the immediate post New Testament period of the Apostolic Fathers no attempt was made to work out the God-Christ (Father-Son) relationship in ontological terms. ... Arians willingly recited these affirmations but read into them their own meaning. To preclude this Arian abuse of the Scripture affirmations Nicea transposed these Biblical affirmations into ... So Harnack holds, and he says further that the whole history of Christological and Trinitarian dogma from Athanasius to Augustine is the history of the displacement of the Logos-conception by ... In absolute deception, the Watchtower writers, who understands the difference between economic and ontological trinity, create a false dilemma in the mind of the reader by projecting the ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-development.htm
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45: Arian (Jehovah's Witness) Subordination Refuted
Submission doesn't make Jesus less God than the Father. Unitarian Subordination Defined "Arian subordination" is taught by Jehovah's Witnesses and Christadelphians. These ... Wives must submit to their husbands (1 Peter 3:1; Eph 5:22;33) and are not permitted to teach men or hold oversight positions over men in the church. (1 Tim 2:11-12). Yet men ... then Christ is a lower class of being than God because He submits to God. If the Father is greater because Jesus served Him, then Christians are greater than Christ, because Christ served us! Mark 10:45 "For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many." When Anti-Trinitarians can properly understand this concept, they will never again use the submission of Christ to the Father as proof Jesus is a creature! ... Conclusion: Anti-Trinitarians create a false dilemma in the mind of the reader by projecting the false illusion that if Jesus is subordinate to the Father, that he cannot be ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-subordination-arian-refuted.htm
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46: Trinity proof texts: John 10:30-33
The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law, 'I said, you are gods'? "If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? "If I do not do the works of My Father, ... In fact, Ps 82 may have sent them into deep thought so when He made the proclamation a second time, they concluded, "He's blasphemed again!" This proves the Arian ... So the Arian view that Jesus is a creature sent from God like Moses, one of the prophets or even an angel, is obviously an invalid interpretation. If the judges of Ps ... Anti-Trinitarian rebuttals: Rebuttal #1 by Anti-Trinitarian Modalists (United Pentecostal Church, UPCI) When Jesus said in John 10:30, "I and the Father are one.", it ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-john10-30.htm
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47: Officail creed of Dutch/Christian/Canadian Reformed Churches
... The church may certainly read these books and learn from them as far as they agree with the canonical books. But they do not have such power and virtue that one ... For since the entire manner of service which God requires of us is described in it at great length, no one-- even an apostle or an angel from heaven, as Paul says-- ... Article 8: The Trinity In keeping with this truth and Word of God we believe in one God, who is one single essence, in whom there are three persons, really, truly, and eternally distinct according to their incommunicable properties-- namely, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father is the cause, origin, and source of all things, ... Testament, which need not be enumerated but only chosen with discretion. In the book of Genesis God says, "Let us make man in our image, according to our likeness." ... Christians and heretics, such as Marcion, Mani, Praxeas, Sabellius, Paul of Samosata, Arius, and others like them, who were rightly condemned by the holy fathers. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/cr-CRef-Belgic.htm
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48: Part 2: Bible Section: Trinity Watchtower BOOKLET: Should You ...
... Heb 1:10 Only God creates! Angels are NEVER said to create anything. Yet remember, JW believe that the angel Michael, is our creator. Heb 1:5 proves Jesus cannot be an angel. Could God Be Tempted? AT MATTHEW 4:1, Jesus ... How could any part of an almighty Godhead-Father, Son, or holy spirit-ever be lower than angels? JW's say Jesus was created an angel. We ask: "How could an angel be made lower than an angel?" Obviously then, Jesus who ... THE Bible calls Jesus the "only-begotten Son" of God. (John 1:14; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9) Trinitarians say that since God is eternal, so the Son of God is eternal. But how can a person be a son and at the same time be as old as his father? ... Can a man father a son without begetting him? Jesus fulfilled the prophecy where God ... This would be one way of representing John's thought, which is, as I understand it, that ho logos, no less than ho theos, had the nature of theos." How satanic they fail to tell the reader this! Joseph Henry Thayer, a ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-JW-SYBTT-Watchtower-BOOKLET-Should-You-Believe-the-Trinity-EXPOSED-REFUTED-bible-section.htm
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49: Trinity Attackers refuted! (Watchtower's: Should You Believe ...
... Heb 1:10 Only God creates! Angels are NEVER said to create anything. Yet remember, JW believe that the angel Michael, is our creator. Heb 1:5 proves Jesus cannot be an angel. Could God Be Tempted? AT MATTHEW 4:1, Jesus ... How could any part of an almighty Godhead-Father, Son, or holy spirit-ever be lower than angels? JW's say Jesus was created an angel. We ask: "How could an angel be made lower than an angel?" Obviously then, Jesus who ... THE Bible calls Jesus the "only-begotten Son" of God. (John 1:14; 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9) Trinitarians say that since God is eternal, so the Son of God is eternal. But how can a person be a son and at the same time be as old as his father? ... Can a man father a son without begetting him? Jesus fulfilled the prophecy where God ... This would be one way of representing John's thought, which is, as I understand it, that ho logos, no less than ho theos, had the nature of theos." How satanic they fail to tell the reader this! Joseph Henry Thayer, a ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-frames-start-page-SYBTT-bible-section.htm
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50: REFUTED: Full-Preterist, "Realized Eschatology", "AD 70 doctrine ...
5. All men will stand before God in Judgement. 6. The wicked will be cast into the lake of fire with the Devil and his angels 7. The righteous will join God who creates a new heavens and earth Table of Contents Introduction. 1 1. Four times the Son of man comes with clouds and power in His Kingdom. 1 2. Midrashic fulfillments of ... make mush of time. 1 7. The Kingdom of Old Testament prophecy is the church. 1 8. The entire first century church went extinct on Pentecost Sunday, 22nd ... Third chronological error: Full-Preterists misdate the death of Herod the Great to 4 BC instead of 1 BC. This would normally create a 3-4-year shift in Judean ... For when He received honor and glory from God the Father, such an utterance as this was made to Him by the Majestic Glory, "This is My beloved Son with whom I am ... couple this with Hebrews 1:10-12, we learn Jesus is also the creator YHWH/GOD. This verse not only proves Jesus is God it also proves Jesus is not an angel. e. ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/revelation/Refuted-Full-Preterism-Realized-eschatology-debunked-exposed-second-coming-Parousia-rapture-destruction-Jerusalem-70AD-Doctrine-Revelation-Commentary.htm
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