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1: The Historical Development of "Arian style" (Jehovah's Witness ...
Father. They identified Christ with God, with the Logos, with the Son of God, but they seemed to count His Sonship not from eternity but from the moment of his pre-creational generation. In thus using a two-stage theory of a pre-existent Logos to explain the Son's divine status and His relation to the Father. They Probably did not realize that this theory had a built-in 'inferiorizing principle' that would win for them the accusation of 'subordinationism.' Origen, the greatest theologian of the East, rejected this two-stage theory and maintained the eternal generation of the Son. But to reconcile the eternity of the Son with a strict monotheism, he resorted to a Platonic hierarchical framework for the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and ended up by also making the Son and Holy Spirit not precisely creatures but ... He saw in Scripture, the Apologists, and especially Origen two interwoven ideas. One that the Son was God. The other that the Son was subordinate and inferior to the Father in ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-subordination-arian-development.htm
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2: Biblical Subordination expressed by scholars
Without doubt Paul attributes full divinity to Jesus ... Though at times he presents the Son as in some sense subordinate to the Father, he never makes the Son a creature. (The Triune God, Edmund Fortman, p23) Paul calls Him the image of God, Lord, Son of God, Christ. and Savior; he says that He subsists in the form of God and is equal to God; he assigns to Him the divine functions of ... "Although the Spirit is distinguished from Christ and subordinated to him, it can be said in 1 Jn 2:1 that Christ is the Paraclete with the Father. ... fully and clearly as they do to the Son. (The Triune God, Edmund Fortman, p30-33) If God must have His Logos from eternity, must He also have His Son? ... was not precisely the formal intent of the Apologists. Their problem was how to reconcile monotheism with their belief in the divinity of Christ and with a concept of His divine sonship that they derived from the Old Testament. (The Triune God, Edmund Fortman, p43) To some extent Origen was a ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-subordination-scholars.htm
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3: Fortman, Edmund: The Triune God
... Paul calls Him the image of God, Lord, Son of God, Christ. and Savior; he says that He subsists in the form of God and is equal to God; he assigns to ... Paul makes Christ's eternal pre-existence more explicit than the Synoptists did. If at times he sees the Son as in some sense subordinate to the ... There is no formal doctrine of the Trinity in the New Testament writers. if this means an explicit teaching that in one God there are three co-equal divine persons. But the three are there, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and a triadic ground ... The Apologists were, in a sense, the Church's first theologians ... They identified Christ with God, with the Logos, with the Son of God, but they ... (The Triune God, Edmund Fortman, introduction, p.xv) Origen, the greatest theologian of the East, rejected this two-stage theory and ... Holy Spirit, and ended up by also making the Son and Holy Spirit not precisely creatures but 'diminished gods.' (The Triune God, Edmund Fortman, ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Fortman.htm
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4: Commentary on what the early Christians believed about the Trinity
Apostolic Fathers, Apologists, Nicene Era, Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Origen Apostolic Fathers B. Old Testament.-The early Fathers ... Fathers wrote between A.D. 90 and 140. Their discussion of the person of Jesus Christ simply repeated the teaching of the New Testament. ... century, bears witness to God the Father, to the Son, to the Spirit, and mentions all three together ... Yet, neither Clement nor Ignatius nor any other writer of this most ancient period raises the question that would turn out to be decisive: precisely how are Son and Spirit ... They identified Christ with God, with the Logos, with the Son of God, but they seemed to count His Sonship not from eternity but from the moment of his pre-creational generation. In thus using a two-stage theory of a pre-existent Logos to explain the Son's divine status and His relation ... the fourth century], who does not in some sense regard the Son as subordinate to the Father." (The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, R. ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-history-apostolic-fathers.htm
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5: Part1: Pagan Section: Trinity Watchtower BOOKLET: Should You ...
Because Jesus himself said: "Eternal life is this: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." So our entire ... But generally the Trinity teaching is that in the Godhead there are three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; yet, together they are ... A wife is coequal with her husband as a class of created being called "man", but no equal (subordinate) with her husband in rank. Eph ... We reject all human creeds and abide ONLY in the concept of trinity in the Bible where Jesus is uncreated divine God (like the Father) and the Holy Spirit is a person. Critics of ... Thus, A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge says: "Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, ... But things get worse for JW's because Eliade views Logos Christology as influence by Greek paganism and an intermediate bridge between ... So Hippolytus actually applied these words to Christ as well as the Father and the Holy Spirit! View Hippolytus quotes. Origen, who died ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-JW-SYBTT-Watchtower-BOOKLET-Should-You-Believe-the-Trinity-EXPOSED-REFUTED-pagan-section.htm
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6: Trinity Attackers refuted! (Watchtower's: Should You Believe ...
Because Jesus himself said: "Eternal life is this: to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent." So our entire ... But generally the Trinity teaching is that in the Godhead there are three persons, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; yet, together they are ... A wife is coequal with her husband as a class of created being called "man", but no equal (subordinate) with her husband in rank. Eph ... We reject all human creeds and abide ONLY in the concept of trinity in the Bible where Jesus is uncreated divine God (like the Father) and the Holy Spirit is a person. Critics of ... Thus, A Dictionary of Religious Knowledge says: "Precisely what that doctrine is, or rather precisely how it is to be explained, ... But things get worse for JW's because Eliade views Logos Christology as influence by Greek paganism and an intermediate bridge between ... So Hippolytus actually applied these words to Christ as well as the Father and the Holy Spirit! View Hippolytus quotes. Origen, who died ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-frames-start-page-SYBTT.htm
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7: Catholic Encyclopedia's and Dictionaries
Watchtower booklet) "A dogma so mysterious presupposes a Divine revelation." (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1912, Vol. 15, ... and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son'. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This the Church teaches is the revelation regarding 'God's nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God came upon earth ... But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had ... between St. John's doctrine as to the Person of Christ and the Logos doctrine of the Alexandrine Philo, to which many Rationalists ... of men nurtured in the religion of Israel ' to whom "subordinate deities" would have been unthinkable; but it is, as we have ... Not before Tertullian and Origen, early in the century following, had an attempt been made to solve the problem once raised by ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Catholic.htm
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8: Trinity: The role of Constantine in the Nicene creed
... Several points stand out. The Council Fathers did not use the term Logos for Christ but the more evangelical word Son. They stressed that He was not created ... to the Holy Spirit. There was no formal doctrine about a Triune God. But the elements for such a doctrine were there. In their somewhat infelicitous attempts to explain the Son's divine status and His relation to the Father by a two-stage theory of a preexistent Logos, the Apologists obscured if they did not deny the eternal personality and the eternal generation of the Son. Clement and Origen rejected the two-stage theory of the Apologists and maintained the eternal generation of the Son. But Origen, in his attempt to combine strict monotheism with a hierarchical order in the Trinity, ended up by making the Son and the Holy Spirit not precisely creatures but 'diminished ... He saw in Scripture, the Apologists, and especially Origen two interwoven ideas, one that the Son was God, the other that the Son was subordinate and inferior ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-history-constantine.htm
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9: Trinity proof texts: John 8:58
... Where is Your Father? v19 Click to View Ancient and Modern Commentators that precisely express what the verse is ... suppose that truth did not exist before the time when Christ appeared. We worship, therefore, the Father of truth, and the Son, who is the truth; and these, ... So entirely are they one, that he who has seen the Son, "who is the brightness of God's glory, and the express image of His person," has seen in Him who is the image, of God, God Himself. (Origen Against Celsus, book 8, chapter 12, 225 AD) But ... They saw only the historical manifestation, not the eternal Person; only the human, not the divine. Jesus, therefore, ... John 1:1 also points to Jesus' preexistence as the Logos: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God." ... before the 20th century, we would ask why would the Holy Spirit wait 1900 years to reveal this to them alone. ... John 8:58 in the same tense form (present) and is also modified by a subordinate adverbial clause to mark the time. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-john8-58.htm
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10: The ministry of Dr. Hugh Ross exposed
... of development of galaxies, stars, planets, etc., is through natural forces instead of by divine fiat. YOUNG EARTH VERSUS OLD EARTH Dr. ... and 7:6. The record is presented as a straightforward father-to- son genealogy with no gaps, but even if there were gaps the ... He contended that the literal sense is not that for which the Holy Spirit gave the Scriptures to Christians and said, "The Scriptures ... Origen believed that rational beings were created as spirits and as they became negligent in their adoration of God they fell varying amounts into different categories, some becoming angels, some human beings, and some demons. Jesus Christ, the Logos, was the exception. He did not fall at all. But still this makes Him subordinate to the Father, being at first on the same level as created beings. For this Jerome, among others, considered Origen to be ... which were proclaimed in all the creation which [is] under heaven." "In all creation" is not precisely the same as "to every creature." ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/tracks/b-hugh-ross.htm
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11: Grant, Robert M.: Gods and the One God
Christ and the personality of the Holy Spirit (Biblical trinity) Grant, Robert M.: Gods and the One God Quoted by Anti-Trinitarians What they failed to tell you "The Christology of the apologies, like that of the New Testament, is essentially subordinationist. The Son is always subordinate to the Father, who is the one God of the Old Testament. . . . What we find in these early authors, then, is not a doctrine of the Trinity . . . Before Nicaea, Christian theology was almost universally subordinationist." (Gods and the One God, Robert M. Grant, as quoted by Anti-Trinitarians) In any event, the passage [Phil 2:6-8] makes it plain that before Christ Jesus emptied himself he was not human but divine." (Gods and the One God, Robert M. Grant, p105) But Justin describes this Logos as a ... It was especially offensive at Alexandria, where Origen had tried to overcome subordinationism even though he shared many aspects of it. Presumably Arius' true views can be seen in his letter to his ally ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Grant.htm
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12: Earnest Haenchen: 1984 English translation of Haenchen's commentary ...
Philo was not thinking about giving up Jewish monotheism. In a similar fashion, Origen, too, interprets: the Evangelist does not say that the logos is 'God,' but only that the logos is 'divine.' In fact, for the author of the hymn [in John 1:1], as for the Evangelist, only the Father was 'God' (ho theos) ; 'the Son' was subordinate ... In that passage Paul depicts just such a divine being, who later became man in Jesus Christ. . . . Thus, in both Philippians and John 1:1 it is not a matter of a ... Just like a husband and wife share the same class of being yet the husband has rank over the wife, so too with the Father and the son. Haenchen says: "But there was no rivalry between the Logos as theos and as ho theos (in English the distinction is expressed by "divine" and "God"); the new (Christian) Faith does not conflict ... It is precisely for this reason that the believer sees the Father in the son: the son does not speak his own words, he does not do his own works, he does not effect ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Haenchen.htm
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13: Biblical Trinity is not borrowed from the pagans!
... as a stimulating force, upon the form of the whole patristic theology, the doctrines of the Logos and the Trinity among the rest; and that the deeper minds of heathen antiquity showed a ... The divine work of salvation is thus prosecuted in the historical threefold relation of Father, Son and Spirit. This threefold relation soon found fixed expression in the triadic formulae ... For in Judaism, as in the early Church, we find triadic formulae, and even formulae with four or more members. Justin combines the triad God, Christ and angel, with that of Father, Son and Spirit, to produce the fourfold (Apol., 1, 6). Eph. ... In other words, in thinking out the Trinity they arrived at the Triunity. None the less the greatest and most influential of the Christian Fathers, Origen, Athanasius, Basil and the ... "Arianism is a union of adoptionism with the Origenistic-Neo-Platonic doctrine of the subordinate Logos which is the spiritual principle of the world, carried out by means of the ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-pagan.htm
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14: Encyclopedia of Pentecostal History of Tongues: 150 AD - 1901 ...
... Hamilton, p 64) Early church writers such as Polycarp, Papias, Cyprian, Chrysostom, Augustine, Origen etc. never mention tongues. Why? ... Clement of Rome (died 100?) reminded the Corinthians that "a full outpouring of the Holy Spirit was upon you all." (Clement of Rome, ... wrote to the church at Smyrna: "Ignatius... to the Church of God the Father, and of the beloved Jesus Christ, which has through mercy obtained every kind of gift, which is ... History, Volume II, page 6, 1) Irenaeus refused the abuses and fakery of those who sought to exercise the gift with no divine right. ... Ante-Nicene Fathers: Volume I. Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997.) Scriptures complete: True knowledge is [that which ... as to be able to see the glory of Christ, to which the Father bears witness, saying, "This is My beloved Son in whom I am well-pleased." ... which is in part shall be done away," and, "The world cannot receive Him," precisely those in which you find a prediction of Manichaeus? ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/tongues-history.htm
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15: Bulwarks of the Faith Foy E Wallace JR. Refuting Dogmas Catholicism ...
... We are ordered by the Spirit to "try the spirits whether they are of God." (1 Jno. 4: 1) Christ's preaching was both positive and ... said, I believe, to any who know me and the brethren who are promoting this effort that our only aim is to preach the plain gospel of Christ. ... Holy ground to the Jew, and events no less sacred to the Christian; the temple of Solomon, the house of God; the ark of the BULWARKS OF THE ... To the Jew it has a sacred significance in the things of the past; to the Christian it has divine significance in the things of the present. ... In his compari-son of Judaism and Christianity he refers to "the Jerusalem which is above, the mother of us all." We are not children of the ... out from among them, and I will receive you, and will be to you a father, and ye shall be to me sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." ... of Jesus Christ and of the New Testament. 3. The effort to subordinate churches and preachers to unity meetings and delegate ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/catholic/Catholic-church-doctrine-Bulwarks-of-the-Faith-Foy-E-Wallace-JR-Refuting-Dogmas-Catholicism-Protestant-Denominationalism-1951AD.htm
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16: Rylands, John: Bulletin of The John Rylands Library
... heavenly court, just as the angels were-though as God's Son, he stands in a different category, and ranks far above ... Christians would "become partakers of the (or 4 a) divine nature"" Deception Exposed: It is the height of satanic ... apologetic and catechetical need? Put more precisely, do we not find the orthodox doctrine of the person of Christ a source of much perplexity to inquiring non-Christians and to many a Christian believer under instruction ? " True God from true God, begotten not made, of one substance with the Father " and " the selfsame perfect in God-head, the selfsame ... This is said to be evident from their use of the Logos Christology and the conception of Jesus as God's Son. So orthodox ... references to the Holy Spirit are left on one side, would not the resultant conception of God be a form of ditheism ? ... in the New Testament picture of his heavenly person and ministry we behold a figure both separate from and subordinate to God. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Rylands.htm
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17: Bible Only Revelation Commentary by Steven Rudd
... may be said to be a good thing, and the effect of divine justice. (3) Now as to the attack the zealots made upon ... all Christians still await the future second coming of Christ, wherein the dead will be raised into a spirit body, the living will be changed into a spirit body, the physical universe will be uncreated (Rev 20:11) and all will be judged before God who then creates a new heaven and earth (Rev 21). ... The author also owns 120+ additional Revelation commentaries in his Logos Software collection that span every point ... Salmon married a Canaanite in 1390 BC c. Boaz married a Moabite in 1284 BC d. Jesse (David's father) married an ... She [the church] who is in Babylon [Jerusalem], chosen together with you, sends you greetings, and so does my son, ... by the emperor himself; that the governors and subordinate military officers should see to the execution of ... The legal basis of the persecutions remains vague; and this precisely corresponds with the actual state of things. ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/revelation/
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18: Sabbatatrians Refuted and Sabbath keepers Exposed: 2011 AD
... to clarify that the Sabbath ordinance was only MODELED after Creation week's pattern of Divine work and "rest." ... On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, ... far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. 14For He himself is our peace, who has made the two one ... of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. 17He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. 19Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and ... some authorities point out that its meaning is more precisely rendered as ceasing or stopping. (We will have more to ... In doing so, Jesus validated the principle that the Sabbath is subordinate to the Ordinance of Circumcision. He also ... This practice in Alexandria is of great antiquity, for it appears that Origen most commonly taught in the church on ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/7-lying-for-god-Kerry-Wynne.htm
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19: Eliade, Mircea: Encyclopedia of Religion
Click to View Click to View Decepto-Meter Deceptive Quote & False Dilemma: Trinitarian Source views Logos Christology as influence by Greek paganism and an intermediate bridge between apostolic teaching and ... In the immediate post New Testament period of the Apostolic Fathers no attempt was made to work out the God-Christ (Father-Son) relationship in ontological terms.(The Encyclopedia of Religion, Mircea Eliade, Trinity, Vol 15, p53-57) It was prompted chiefly by belief in the divinity of Christ and later in the divinity of the Holy Spirit, but even earlier by ... The language of the Bible, of early Christian creeds, and of Greek and Latin theology prior to the fourth century is "economic" (oikonomia, divine management of earthly affairs). It is oriented to the concrete ... Origen (died c. 254) contributed the idea of the eternal generation of the Son within the being of God; although other aspects of Origen's theology later were judged to be subordinationist, his teaching that the ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Eliade.htm
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20: Trinity proof texts: Philippians 2:5-8
every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. ... Before His incarnation Jesus existed in heaven in the form of God, possessing the very authority, power and appearance of God. Jesus consented to the eternal plan of the Father who placed Jesus divine Spirit into the body of a man in Mary's womb. God created man ... Jesus is ever-divine, and humans are ever-creatures who worship the Father and the Son, as seen in Revelation 4 & 5. (Mt 2:2,8; 11; 14:33; 28:9, 17; Luke 24:52; John 9:38; Rom 1:25; ... This is because the only way the text makes any sense, is if Jesus was already equal to God before the incarnation. 4. Christadelphians and those who teach "logos theology" believe ... does not imply that he exchanged one form of existence for another ... rather, it is precisely he who is in the form of God (always) who "beggared himself" by "taking on" the form ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-texts-philippians2-6.htm
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21: Early Christian faith on Trinity, deity of Christ, personality ...
Click to View Trinity Deity and eternal pre-existence of Jesus Christ Person & Personality of the Holy Spirit Click to View Regarding the "US", in Gen 1:26 "Let us ... above every people of the Earth, have found the truth, for they acknowledge God, the creator and maker of all things, in the only-begotten Son and in the Holy Spirit" (Apology 16). 150 AD Justin Martyr 150 AD Justin Martyr "The Father of the universe has a Son, who also being the first begotten Word of God, is even God." (Justin Martyr, ... an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Logos; and on another occasion He calls Himself Captain, when He appeared in human form to Joshua the son of Nave (Nun). ... was in reality adored, the expiator of sin, the Saviour, the clement, the Divine Word, He that is truly most manifest Deity, He that is made equal to the Lord ... give account of the true doctrine" (Against The Heresy Of One Noetus) 225 AD Origen 225 AD Origen "And that you may understand that the omnipotence of Father and ... ...
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22: Biblical Subordination expressed by early Fathers and apologists ...
Biblical Subordination expressed by early Fathers and apologists: Most ancient Christians wrote about the fact that Christ was equal as a being, but subordinate in rank. Notice that they ... But the Nicene Creed overemphasized the rank and power equality of Christ with the father, and here it was in error. 200 AD Tertullian "We have been taught that He proceeds forth from God, and in that procession He is generated; so that He is the Son of God, and is called God from unity of substance with God. For God, too, is a Spirit. Even when the ray is shot from the sun, it is still part of the parent mass; the sun will still ... the subordination of the Logos to God." ... "Every significant theologian of the Church in the pre-Nicene period, had actually represented a Subordinationist Christology. (The Formation of Christian Dogma, An Historical Study of its Problems; Martin Werner, p125, 234, Werner is a modernist who also advocates angel-Christology) To some extent Origen was a subordinationist, ... ...
...https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-subordination-fathers.htm
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23: False Doctrine of Modalism: As taught by the United Pentecostal ...
... Two of the most heretical aspects of Modalism is first, that Jesus Christ had no pre-existence before his incarnation. They take the identical "logos-theology" view that the Christadelphians teach! And second, that the divine spirit left the human spirit at the cross and that ONLY ... The title Father never alludes to humanity, while Son does. Although Jesus is both Father and Son, we cannot say the Father is the Son." UPC To Modalists, Father always refers to God, in the mode of Father Jesus Christ "Jesus is both Father (divine) and Son (Human)" UPC "one can speak of the pre-existent Christ since the Spirit of Christ is God Himself. UPC "When we see a plural (especially a duality) used in reference to ... Modalists are wrong when they lump Arianism with Subordinationism. All Arians are Subordinationists, but not all Subordinationists are Arians. Woman is to be subordinate to her husband in role, but is still equal before God as a being. God the son, is clearly subordinate to God the ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-modalism.htm
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24: Hastings, James: Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics
special character to the Christian doctrine of the Trinity is its close association with the distinctive Christian view of divine incarnation." ... " As Augustine said, "if in the books of the Platonists it was to be found that 'in the beginning was the Word,' it was not found there that 'the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.'" ... "None the less Christ is acknowledged as the eternal Son of God and the supreme revelation of the Father, and the quickening Spirit of life is acknowledged to be derived ' from on high." ... So Harnack holds, and he says further that the whole history of Christological and Trinitarian dogma from Athanasius to Augustine is the history of the displacement of the Logos-conception by that of the Son, of the substitution of the ... In other words, in thinking out the Trinity they arrived at the Triunity. None the less the greatest and most influential of the Christian Fathers, Origen, Athanasius, Basil and the Gregories, Augustine, all acknowledged that, for all ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-Hastings.htm
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25: The Error of the Catholic Nicene Trinity
... And so, when the early Christians would describe their conception of God, all the three elements-God, Christ, and the Spirit-enter into the description, and the one God is found to be revealed in a threefold way. (Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics, James Hastings, Trinity, p 458) In the immediate post New Testament period of the Apostolic Fathers no attempt was made to work out the God-Christ (Father-Son) ... Convinced that this doctrine is a Christian doctrine that did and could originate only from divine revelation. I start the study from the authentic record of divine revelation that is found in the ... But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or ... In other words, in thinking out the Trinity they arrived at the Triunity. None the less the greatest and most influential of the Christian Fathers, Origen, Athanasius, Basil and the Gregories, ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-catholic-nicene.htm
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26: TRINITY: Christology: Diety and Humanity of our Savour!
Trinitarian False dilemmas exposed 1. God cannot be tempted 2. Jesus is God 3. Conclusion: Jesus was never tempted Introduction: 1. God the Son is Jesus Christ (Messiah) a. Eternally pre-existent b. Creator not a creature: Rom 1:25 c. God, but distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit d. In heaven, Jesus was omnipresent (everywhere), omniscient (all ... J. D. Douglas & F. F. Bruce, Trinity, p 1298) 2. For the early Christian belief that Jesus was divine, the Son of God, and that as the risen, glorified Messiah or Lord, He was now at the right hand of God: ... Sometimes they call Him God explicitly. (The Triune God, Edmund Fortman, introduction, p.xv) 4. GOD THE SON ... the Gospel According to John, which regards the figure of Jesus Christ as the divine Logos become ... Paul makes Christ's eternal pre-existence more explicit than the Synoptists did. If at times he sees the Son as in some sense subordinate to the Father, yet he never makes Him a creature but always puts Him on the ... ...
https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-deity-of-christ.htm
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27: Boer, Harry R.: A Short History of the Early Church
When God desired to create the world, . . . he begot another divine being to create the world for him. This divine being was called . . . Son because he was born; he was called Logos because he was taken from the Reason or Mind of God. . . . Justin and the other Apologists therefore taught that the Son is a creature. He is a high creature, a creature powerful enough to create the world but, nevertheless, a creature. In theology this relationship of the Son to the Father is called subordinationism. The Son is subordinate, that is, secondary to, dependent upon, ... Therefore, he begot another divine being to create the world for him." (A Short History of the Early Church, Dr. H. R. Boer) Our comment Boer flatly states that the deity of Christ is found in the New Testament and ... The early church accepted him as a man, and confessed and worshiped him as God. It placed him on the same level as the Father and the Holy Spirit. It did this naturally and without any feeling of contradiction. The ... ...
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28: Trinity: Arius and the Nicene Creed
Arianism, a Christian heresy first proposed early in the 4th century by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius. It affirmed that Christ is not truly divine but a created being. (Encyclopedia Britannica, 1979, Arianism, Vol. I, p.509) "Arianism: Up to ... Three synods in Antioch dealt with Paul's teaching, and the third one (in 269) condemned and excommunicated Paul. These views deeply influenced Arius. Like the western Adoptionists, he was concerned about the unity of God. Therefore, he taught that the Father alone is without a beginning. The Son (or Logos) ... Arianism influenced by Neoplatonic philosophy "Arianism is a union of adoptionism with the Origenistic-Neo-Platonic doctrine of the subordinate Logos which is the spiritual principle of the world, carried out by means of ... advocates Angel Christology commenting on Arianism) The basic concern of Arius was and remained disputing the oneness of essence of the Son and the Holy Spirit with God the Father, in order to preserve the oneness of God. ... ...
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29: Encyclopædia Britannica
... The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were associated in such New Testament passages as the Great Commission: "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them mi the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matt. 28:19); and in the apostolic benediction: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all" (II Cor. 13:14). Thus, the New Testament established the basis for the doctrine of the Trinity. The doctrine developed gradually over several centuries and through many controversies. Initially, both the requirements of monotheism inherited from the Old Testament and the implications of the need to interpret the biblical teaching to Greco-Roman paganism seemed to demand that the divine in Christ as the Word, or Logos, be interpreted as subordinate to the Supreme Being. An alternative solution was to interpret Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three modes of the self-disclosure of the one God but not ... ...
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30: The Decepto-Meter goes crazy when you bring it near the Watchtower ...
A typical example of a false dilemma is where anti-Trinitarians lead the reader to falsely conclude that if Jesus is subordinate to the Father, that Jesus must be a creature. Self-quoting: ... of God as a Triad. (Father-true God, Son-a created demi-god and Holy Spirit-the force or energy of God) Click to View Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology Larousse Encyclopedia of Mythology Satanic Quote secular Our Islamic specialist applied the Muslim's own "hero myth test" to the Islamic religion itself and came up with a score of: 14/22! Moses scored 14/22 too! That is only one less than Christ at 15/22! Reglan never ... Douglas, J. D. & Bruce F. F. New Bible Dictionary Deceptive Quote & False Dilemma Trinitarian Source views Logos Christology as influence by Greek paganism and an intermediate bridge between ... Fails to inform the reader that the Egyptians would label JW's as trinitarians, seeing little difference with their "trinity of Osiris, Isis, and Horus, constituting a divine family of ... ...
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31: Part 2: Bible Section: Trinity Watchtower BOOKLET: Should You ...
... Paine was a Bible trasher who said of the Bible: "Its presuppositions of a divine miraculous origin and character, differentiating the ... excludes God from being Lord. Yet we know that they share these identical characteristics. learn more That is why nowhere in the Bible is anyone but Jehovah called Almighty. Otherwise, it voids the meaning of the word "almighty." Neither Jesus nor the holy spirit is ever called that, for Jehovah alone is supreme. Hippolytus certainly applies Rev 1:8 to Christ and calls Jesus "The Almighty" several times. But even if the Father is alone ... Further, the Bible flat out rejects that Jesus was an angel in Heb 1:5 "For to which of the angels did He ever say, "Thou art My Son"." ... Jesus Continues Subordinate Similarly, we read at Hebrews 5:8 that Jesus "learned obedience from the things he suffered." Can we imagine ... This would be one way of representing John's thought, which is, as I understand it, that ho logos, no less than ho theos, had the nature ... ...
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32: Trinity Attackers refuted! (Watchtower's: Should You Believe ...
... Paine was a Bible trasher who said of the Bible: "Its presuppositions of a divine miraculous origin and character, differentiating the ... excludes God from being Lord. Yet we know that they share these identical characteristics. learn more That is why nowhere in the Bible is anyone but Jehovah called Almighty. Otherwise, it voids the meaning of the word "almighty." Neither Jesus nor the holy spirit is ever called that, for Jehovah alone is supreme. Hippolytus certainly applies Rev 1:8 to Christ and calls Jesus "The Almighty" several times. But even if the Father is alone ... Further, the Bible flat out rejects that Jesus was an angel in Heb 1:5 "For to which of the angels did He ever say, "Thou art My Son"." ... Jesus Continues Subordinate Similarly, we read at Hebrews 5:8 that Jesus "learned obedience from the things he suffered." Can we imagine ... This would be one way of representing John's thought, which is, as I understand it, that ho logos, no less than ho theos, had the nature ... ...
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33: Schaff, Philip: 1. History of the Christian Church. 2. New Schaff ...
The Indian Trimurti, altogether pantheistic in spirit, is still further from the Christian Trinity" (Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church New York: ... Encyclopedia, Trinity, Doctrine of the; p18) "The doctrine of the divine Trinity is the summarized statement of the historical revelation of redemption for the Christian consciousness of God. It affirms that God is not only the ruler of the universe, but the Father of Christ, in whom he is perfectly revealed, and the source of a holy and blessed life ... force, upon the form of the whole patristic theology, the doctrines of the Logos and the Trinity among the rest; and that the deeper minds of heathen ... But the New Testament and the Christian consciousness as firmly demanded faith in the divinity of the Son, who effected redemption, and of the Holy Spirit, who ... The peculiarity of the Platonic philosophy," says Hegel, in his " History of Philosophy " (vol. ii.), " is precisely this direction toward the supersensuous ... ...
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34: Harnack, Adolf: Outlines of the History of Dogma
... being who only becomes God in becoming man, and who is neither God nor man." (Outlines of the History of Dogma, Adolf Harnack, p251) ... But the peculiarity of his Gospel as a message from the Spirit of Christ, which was equally near to and equally distant from every religious ... Paul, as no doubt other missionaries besides him, connected the preaching of Christ with the Greek mode of thought; he even employed ... of adoptionism with the Origenistic-Neo-Platonic doctrine of the subordinate Logos which is the spiritual principle of the world, carried out by means ... polytheists; finally in the background lie deep contradictions: A Son who is no Son, a Logos which is no Logos, a monotheism which does ... with his idea of revelation, already maintained that the Divine Original Essence is suprarational, that only ecstasy leads to Him, ... of the multivolume Dogmengeschichte introduced Harnack to a lifetime of theological controversy and lead to a painful break with his father. ... ...
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35: "KJV Only" advocates refuted!
the texts are fairly irrelevant, such as calling the Lord "Christ Jesus" instead of "Jesus Christ," or putting the word "the" before a noun. ... English, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN GUIDED BY DIVINE INSPIRATION THE CORRECT RENDERING, hence no need for any alternate readings in the margin. ... manuscript readings PROVES BEYOND ANY DOUBT that they WERE NOT GUIDED by the Holy Spirit as to which one of the two readings were correct. ... "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and anyone to ... The last gasp of a dying false doctrine! #4: The fact is, the marginal readings are NOT THE WORDS OF GOD and the TEXT IS. The translators ... Greek translation of the Old Testament until one was produced by Origen in the third century A. D. [ proven false in my article "The ... For is the kingdom of God to become words or syllables? why should we be in bondage to them if we may be free, use one precisely when we may ... ...
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36: Encyclopedia of Pentecostal ministries and preachers
... you that your particular life and your misunderstood ways have been to indicate that God has sent you to take a gift of divine healing to the people of the world. ... He was the Father; He was the Son; He is the Holy Ghost. It's three offices or three dispensations,..." (William Branham, Conduct, Order, Doctrine Q and A, p. ... This is a very curious situation. Why would the "Son of God" and "Christ returned" be the disciple of a man like Branham? Shouldn't it have been the other way around? Or maybe it ... Perhaps this is where he picked up a demonic spirit, because it is "reported that towards the end, some of his teachings almost bordered on the occult." (Kurt ... According to Capps, this is precisely why the human race now lives only about seventy years instead of 900 years, as was the case with Adam. (Charles Capps, The ... And in the garden of Eden He did that. He was not a little like God. He was not almost like God. He was not subordinate to God even. And Adam was as much like God ... ...
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37: One verse refution of Transubstantiation
... the bread for which they give thanks is the body of their Lord and the cup his blood, if they do not say he is the Son of the Creator of the world? . . . ... clause is a prayer for God's word to be operative in making bread and wine equal the body and blood and so a "consecration by the word of God and prayer." ... Irenaeus argues that the heretics must acknowledge that the earth is the Lord's or cease to employ those elements which they deny are his. Christ could not have acknowledged the bread and the mixed cup as his body and blood if he belonged to another Father." Since the material elements receive the divine potency ... The genuine writings of Irenaeus do not explain what this heavenly "thing" is, whether the Holy Spirit, 12 the literal body and blood (unlikely), or the heavenly Logos. Irenaeus is the first to speak explicitly of a ... The prayer of thanksgiving effected the hallowing of the material for a spiritual purpose. 14 The Alexandrian writers Clement and Origen viewed the ... ...
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38: "Seventh-day Adventism Renounced" by D. M. Canright, 1914
... husband, a citizen, a son or a Christian are without foundation, in fact, are unwarranted by any facts known to his intimate acquaintances. ... that when Christ comes only 144,000 out of all then living on the earth will be saved, and all these will be Seventh-day Adventists. ... God will not smell in their assemblies. Selfishness, fraud and deceit are practiced by them without the reprovings of conscience." Spiritual Gifts, Vol. I, page 189, 190. She says it is the devil who answers their prayers. Thus: "I saw them look up to the throne and pray, Father give us thy spirit... I know how to pity them, for I myself have passed through precisely the same experience. And another writes: "I wish I had never heard the ... The Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia says: "Ecstatic visions announcing the approach of the Second Advent of Christ... were set forth as divine ... Tertullian on Prayer, chapter 23. Sunday, then, was observed by Christians at that early date, but Saturday was not. Origen, A.D. 225. ... ...
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39: Scientology is anti-Christian, Satanic and Neo-Gnostic?
To achieve OT VIII, one must believe that organized religion cannot explain the relationship between spirit and the material world, effectively renouncing them. ... Origen was condemned for his heretical opinions about the soul, but not even Origen believed in reincarnation: "In this place [Matt. 17:10] it does not appear ... We find love used in Christianity about twelve feet below 0.0 [death] and in New York precisely at 2.5 on the tone scale." Professional Auditor's Bulletin No. ... About redemption in Christ "... I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." - St. Paul, Galatians 2:20 "Christ died for his own sins." - L. Ron Hubbard, (Uncertain ref; ... To free the soul from its entrapment, the Higher God sent a revealer into this world to inform humans of its divine origin. Those who understand this ... Aleister Crowley thought of himself as such. And when Crowley died in 1947 my father then decided that he should wear the cloak of the beast; and become the ... ...
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40: Discussion: Eternal torment or annihilation?
... in the application to the pageantry of apocalyptic description of the fortunes of the early church and the divine judgments on its enemies." ... body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." Continuing on p 177 on the intermediate state of the dead Lewis writes: "Neither the Old Testament nor the New Testament is materialistic. Daniel is grieved in his spirit within (Dan 7:15). ... to be comforted; and he said, For I will go down to Sheol to my son mourning. And his father wept for him." sheh-ole' Strongs: From H7592; hades or the world of ... the abode of the dead 1b1) place of no return 1b2) without praise of God 1b3) wicked sent there for punishment 1b4) righteous not abandoned ... This is why baptism is not a just physical symbol of spiritual realities. Banks adds: "It is precisely because man is not simply a soul ... My point was that God's attributes include more than love. That subsuming all other traits as subordinate to that one, fails. Justice being ... ...
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41: George Salmon's Infallibiliy of the church
... because that it is certain that Sacraments could only be instituted by Christ Himself. Apostolic traditions are things ordained or taught by the Apostles under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and by them handed down to the Church. ... It is an argument a fortiori in favor of our rule of requiring Scripture proof for Divine or Apostolic traditions, that in the ... of faith; that they contain the whole Word of God; and that what is outside of them need not be regarded. The second part of Taylor's Dissuasive contains a complete catena of Fathers establishing by their consent this principle, which no Father denies. ... Son of the living God,' as Hilary, and Gregory Nyssen, and Chrysostom, and Cyril of Alexandria. St. Augustine going still further away from the true sense interprets 'on this rock,' that is, 'on myself Christ,' because Christ was the rock. But Origen ... The teaching of the Church on this point would have been in all places the same; for this is not a subordinate doctrine, a true ... ...
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42: Mt. Sinai located in Arabia: Galatian 4:25
... Ishmael, son of Abraham; for Nizaros, descendant of Ishmael, is recognized as the father of them all. He begot two sons, Moudaros and Rabias. ... The tomb inscriptions, many of which are precisely dated, are particularly informative on religion, social structure, and legal matters. It is ... Dushara's "throne" (mwtb) was the object of separate veneration: see Healey 1993:156-158.] and Allat of ʿAmnad [The divine name Allat is ... For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who ... Gentile Christians are directly connected to Abraham and Sarah and Christ. Today, Muslims and Jews are both "cast out" as sons of Hagar. "Tell ... But the son by the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and the son by the free woman through the promise. This is allegorically ... But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. But what ... ...
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43: Official creed of the Orthodox church
GOD THE FATHER is the fountainhead of the Holy Trinity. The Scriptures reveal the one God is Three Persons -- Father, Son, and Holy Spirit -- eternally sharing the one divine nature. From the Father the Son is begotten before all ages and all time (Psalm 2:7; II Corinthians 11:31). It is from the Father that the Holy Spirit eternally proceeds (John 15:26). God the Father created all things through the Son, in the Holy Spirit (Genesis 1 and 2; John 1:3; Job 33:4), and we are called to worship Him (John 4:23). The Father loves us and sent His Son to give us everlasting life (John 3:16). JESUS CHRIST JESUS CHRIST is the Second Person of the Holy Trinity, eternally born of the Father. ... Verse 25). (They who are called brothers of Jesus were children of Joseph by a former wife, as he was only the betrothed of the Blessed Virgin Mary, as Jerome and others accept, or of Clopas and the sister of the Mother of God, as Origen, Eusebius, etc., accept, namely, that they were cousins of Jesus. ... ...
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44: Kadesh-Barnea by Henry Clay Trumbull, 1884 AD
THIS VOLUME IS DEDICATED BY AN AMERICAN FOLLOWER IN THEIR TRACK AND ADMIRER OF THEIR SPIRIT AND WORK. CONTENTS. TITLE PAGE 1 ... in the time of the Father of the Faithful of the yet progressing strug gle of the world-powers with the kingdom of God on earth. ... : 4-20. 9 Hist, of Jewish Ch., 1 , 199. 24 KADESH-BARNEA. its divine charter as a nation] ; from Sinai to Kadesh, and from Kadesh to ... neighborhood of Kaclesh. 1 Whatever may have been its signification, 2 that name became subordinate to the name which memorialized the abiding there of God s people with the sacred tabernacle. ... Leusden (in the Onomast Sac., Leyden, 1650 ; s. r. " Kadesh-barnea ") explains it as " holiness of the unstable son ; or " holiness of ... Rock was Christ." 2 The tradition according to the rabbins was, that a natural rock followed them to supply their bodily thirst. The ... The interpreters generally understand this word in the sense of rushes or a rushy district, while in old Egyptian it denotes precisely ... ...
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45: Textbook of Disturbances of Mental Life, Johann Christian August ...
... It is only through reason that we can reach God. (No man can come to the Father save through Me.) Whoever fails to use this ... of them, whereas the purpose of medicine of the psyche is precisely to take action in order to teach the art of guiding the ... a life of reason, or, in the words of the Holy Writ, a life in Christ, or must walk in light, all of which is the same thing. ... troubled him" (I. Sam. 16, 14); "And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him" (ibid., 16, 23), etc. ... Nothing was done to cure him, for who would want to oppose Divine punishment? He became well again after he had lifted up his ... who performed the famous mental cure on the lovesick prince Antiochus, son of the Syrian king Seleucus Nicator (304 B.C.). ... with their special and their subordinate manifestations, in exact order, with diligence, erudition, and practical skill. ... ...
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46: McClintock and Strong: Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and ...
"Matthew 28:19 reads: "Go, therefore, make disciples of all nations; baptize them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." Do those verses say that God, Christ, and the holy spirit constitute a Trinitarian Godhead, that the three are equal in substance, power, and eternity? No, they do not, no more than listing three people, such as Tom, Dick, and Harry, means that they are three in one. This type of reference, admits McClintock and Strong's Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, "proves only that there are the three subjects named, . . . but it does not prove, by itself, that all the three belong necessarily to the divine nature, ... Hence those who made known the divine will to men were called b the Hellenists [Greek]. It was probably on this account that John declared Jesus to be the Logos which existed [Greek]; that the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God. In this passage the principal proof does not lie in the word ... ...
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47: What Early Christians believed about BAPTISM
Uninspired records of how early Christians worshipped and what doctrine they believed! Click to View Water Baptism Essential to Salvation Water Baptism in name of Father Son & Holy Spirit Click to View Water Baptism Essential ... Then they are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ... I thought it indeed difficult and hard to believe . . . that divine mercy was promised for my salvation, so that anyone might be born again and quickened unto a new life by the laver of the saving water, he might put off what ... That it is of small account to be baptized and to receive the Eucharist, unless one profit by it both in deeds and works" (Testimonies Concerning the Jews 3:2:25-26). 248 AD Origen "The Church received from the apostles the ... ...
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48: International Standard Bible Encyclopedia (ISBE)
Though "trinity" is a second-century term found nowhere in the Bible, and the Scriptures present no finished trinitarian statement, the NT does contain most of the building materials for later doctrine. In particular, while insisting on one God, it presents Jesus Christ as the divine Son in distinction from God the Father, and probably presents the Holy Spirit or Paraclete as a divine person distinct from both. Obvious problems admittedly attach to both claims; indeed, "person" as a trinitarian (threeness) term has itself been ... Our comment The quote does not say that early Christians viewed Jesus as a creature, but rather as subordinate to the Father. This, in fact, is what Trinitarians openly admit to! But in the very first sentence of the article, ISBE clearly states two important things: (a) that the foundation of Trinity is in the scripture and (b) that the Bible portrays Jesus as divine. What the article is saying, is that Trinitarian doctrine developed in an effort ... ...
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49: Scholars on the Personality of the Holy Spirit
The Watchtower booklet, "Should you believe in the trinity?", said of Mt 28:19: "Do those verses say that God, Christ, and the holy spirit constitute a Trinitarian Godhead, that the three are equal in substance, power, and eternity? No, they do not, no more than ... Trinity is true! (Unless they are willing to say that Tom, Dick are persons and Harry is electricity!) Quotes by scholars on the personality of the Holy Spirit: If the New Testament writers nowhere explicitly call the Holy Spirit God and do not explicitly ascribe to Him the divine functions of creation, salvation and judgment, still they do at times put the Holy Spirit on the same divine level as the Father and the Son, and ascribe to Him the divine ... In them the Apostles are instructed not only as to the personality of the Spirit, but as to His office towards the church. (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 1912, Vol. 15, p 47-49) "Yet, as compared with their thought about the Logos, the Apologists appear to have been ... ...
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50: Hanson, Richard Patrick Crossland: The Search for the Christian ...
Hanson, Richard Patrick Crossland: The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, The Arian controversy 318-381 Quoted by Anti-Trinitarians "There is no theologian in the Eastern or the Western Church before the outbreak of the Arian Controversy [in the fourth century], who does not in some sense regard the Son as subordinate to the Father." (The Search for the Christian Doctrine of God, R. P. C. Hanson, as quoted by Anti-Trinitarians) Deception Exposed: We totally agree! Arians don't understand that many Trinitarians openly teach the subordination of Jesus and the Holy Spirit to the Father. Biblical Trinitarians teach that the Divine, eternally pre-existent Jesus, is subordinate to the Father. They misrepresent Grant by failing to note that he ... "A characteristic exegetical ploy of the Arians was to invoke texts in the interests of what might be called 'reductionism', that is to say they would try to reduce the value of the titles given (or thought to be given) to Christ in the ... ...
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