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They alone view Ellen G. White as an inspired prophet!

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Younger, newer, recently converted, Seventh-day Adventists often notify us by email saying that we, at the Interactive Bible Website (www.bible.ca) have misrepresented the official position of the SDA church regarding Ellen White's inspiration. They are in fact being deceived by their own church! The truth is that this is still the official position, but they are sending out mixed signals. Prior to 1980, (when news of White's plagiarism was first published by Walter Rea) ALL ADVENTISTS viewed White as an inspired prophet. However, now that is it an absolute proven fact that White plagiarized 80-90% of her "inspired writings, including almost all her visions, modern SDA leaders, are quickly watering down the churches historic stand on White's inspiration. The current official is actually identical to what it has always been, as you will see below in the 1997 baptismal vows and church doctrines. But they are now making statements like:

"White's writings are not a replacement of the Bible. Our standard for doctrine is the Bible only!"

Such statements are: lies, deception and a radical departure from both the current official position of the SDA church AND the historical foundation of the very denomination itself. Don't be deceived new convert! Such changes are also occurring in the Mormon church who are watering down the long standing claims of Joseph Smith's inspired translation of the Book of Mormon and the Jehovah's Witnesses 100 year old claim that the Watchtower magazine is inspired. These three groups, the Adventists, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses share these qualities:

were born at the same time in history (1800's)

all claimed to have direct inspiration from God at the time they were founded

all had the "spirit of prophecy"

all have watered down their inspiration claims in modern times

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SDA's must vow Ellen G. White as inspired at their baptism!

Official SDA Baptismal Vows (13)

Don't believe it? Check it out: Official SDA Creed

Vow #8: "I accept the Biblical teaching of spiritual gifts, and believe that the gift of prophecy is one of the identifying marks of the remnant church."

Vow #11: I know and understand the fundamental Bible principles as taught by the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It is my purpose, by the grace of God, to order my life in harmony with these principles

Vow #13: people of every nation, race, and language are invited and accepted into its fellowship. I desire to be a member in this local congregation of the world church.

27 Fundamental beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists:

Don't believe it? Check it out: Official SDA Creed

#17 "The gift of Prophecy: One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is prophecy. This gift is an identifying mark of the remnant church and was manifested in the ministry of Ellen G. White. As the Lord's messenger, her writings are a continuing and authoritative source of truth which provide for the church comfort, guidance, instruction, and correction. They also make clear that the Bible is the standard by which all teaching and experience must be tested. Support is found in these Bible passages: Joel 2:28,29: Acts 2:14-21: Hebrews 1:1-3: Revelation 12:17: Revelation 19:10"

Discussion:

So you can see that SDA's must vow to follow the official "27 Fundamental beliefs" of their church. One of these beliefs is that Ellen G. White was an inspired prophet! (there is no such thing as a prophet who was not inspired!) If you don't like this fact, look for another church! Don't believe it? Check it out for yourself: Official SDA Creed

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The Great Controversy claims White is inspired!

Ellen G. White, 1975 paperback edition:

Back cover of book boldly makes this comment about White in bright yellow lettering:

"ELLEN G. WHITE (1827-1915) was the author of 55 volumes translated internationally into 100 languages with close to 20,000,000 copies in circulation. She is considered to have been inspired by God. Many of her prophecies about world events and the modern-day condition of man have already been dramatically fulfilled. Her insights into the fields of medicine and nutrition are being progressively substantiated by scientific research. Her words have lifted mankind and have helped bring the truths of Christianity to uncounted millions the world over."

Authors (Whites) introduction: pages 13-14

"At this time (20th century) the special endowment of the divine grace and power is not less needful to the church than in the apostolic day. Through the illumination of the Holy Spirit, the scenes of the long-continued conflict between good and evil have been opened to the writer of these pages. From time to time I have been permitted to behold the working, in different ages, of the great controversy between Christ ... and satan." p. 13

"As the Spirit of God has opened my mind the great truths of His word, and the scenes of the past and the future, I have been bidden to make known to others that which has thus been revealed" p. 14

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In 1867 Ellen said:

"Although I am as dependent upon the Spirit of the Lord in writing my views as I am in receiving them, yet the words I employ in describing what I have seen are my own." (EGW, Selected Messages, 3 bks. (Washington: RHPA, 1958-58-80), bk. l, p. 37)

In 1876 she was to say:

"In ancient times God spoke to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the Testimonies of His Spirit." (EGW, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 4, pp. 147-48. Testimony 27; 1876.)

Placing herself and her writings on an increasingly elevated level, she said in 1882:

"If you lessen the confidence of God's people in the testimonies He has sent them, you are rebelling against God as certainly as were Korah, Dathan, and Abiram." (EGW, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 66. Testimony 31; 1882.)

These claims had grown, with the passing of time, until she was able to outdo herself in 1882:

"When I went to Colorado I was so burdened for you that, in my weakness, I wrote many pages to be read at your camp meeting. Weak and trembling, I arose at three o'clock in the morning to write you. God was speaking through clay. You might say that this communication was only a letter. Yes, It was a letter, but prompted by the Spirit of God, to bring before your minds things that had been shown me. In these letters which I write, in the testimonies I bear, I am presenting to you that which the Lord has presented to me. I do not write one article in the paper, expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has opened before me in vision-the precious rays of light shining from the throne." "What voice will you acknowledge as the voice of God? What power has the Lord in reserve to correct your errors and show you your course as it is? ... If you refuse to believe until every shadow of uncertainty and every possibility of doubt is removed, you will never believe. The doubt that demands perfect knowledge will never yield to faith. Faith rests upon evidence, not demonstration. The Lord requires us to obey the voice of duty, when there are other voices all around us urging us to pursue an opposite course. It requires earnest attention from us to distinguish the voice which speaks from God." (EGW, Selected Messages, bk. l, p. 27.)

Ellen G. White wrote under "inspiration" the following:

In "Life Sketches of Ellen G. White," as published by the Adventists, we have this language relating Mrs. White's "vision" of the Sabbath day. "Elder Bates was resting upon Saturday, the seventh day of the week, and he urged it upon our attention as the true Sabbath. I did not feel its importance, and thought that he erred in dwelling upon the fourth commandment more than upon the other nine. But the Lord gave me a view of the heavenly sanctuary. The temple of God was opened in heaven, and I was shown the ark of God covered with the mercy seat. Two angels stood one at either end of the ark with their wings spread over the mercy seat and their faces turned toward it. This, my accompanying angel informed me, represented all the heavenly hosts looking with reverential awe toward the law of God ;which had been written by the finger of God. Jesus raised the cover of the ark, and I beheld the tables of stone on which the Ten Commandments were written. I was amazed as I saw the fourth commandment in the very center of the ten precepts with a soft halo of light encircling it. Said the angel, 'It is the only one of the ten which defines the living God who created the heavens and the earth and all things that are there-in."' (Pages 95 and 96.)

Mrs. Ellen G. White. Mrs. White says, "In the ark was the golden pot of manna, Aaron's rod that budded, and the tables of stone, which folded together like a book. Jesus opened them, and I saw the Ten Commandments written on them with the finger of God. On one table were Four and on the other six. The four on the first table shone brighter than the other six. But the fourth, the Sabbath commandment, shone above them all; for the Sabbath was set apart to be kept in honor of God's holy name. The holy Sabbath looked glorious-a halo of glory was all around it. I saw that the Sabbath commandment was not nailed to the cross. If it was, the other nine commandments were; and we are at liberty to break them all as well as to break the fourth. I saw that God had not changed the Sabbath, for he never changes. But the pope had changed it from the seventh day to the first day of the week; for he was to change times and laws." ("Early Writings of Ellen G. White," page 33.) Again on page 65 of the same book Mrs. White says, "The pope has changed the day of rest from the seventy to the first day."

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Official SDA statements of inspiration for Ellen G. White:

E. E. CLEVELAND: "I believe in the Testimonies. MRS. WHITE'S WRITINGS ARE THE WORLD'S Only Inspired Bible Commentary. They Constitute the most serious challenge to Christian Living That Has Come To The Church Since John's Patmos Revelation..." E. E. Cleveland, At One Time Assoc. Sec., Ministerial Assoc., Gen. Conf. SDA's. As Quoted In "Facts And Com Meets About The Spirit Of Prophecy", P. 14

STANLEY HARRIS: "...and yet, my dear friends, SHE DID ONE OF THE GREATEST WORKS THAT I HAVE EVER KNOWN SINCE JOHN THE REVELATOR. SHE'S TO ME ONE OF THE GREATEST PROPHETS THAT HAVE EVER Lived. Why.? Because SHE HAD THE SAME GIFT THAT Daniel HAD..." -- Stanley Harris, cassette tape "Greatest Prophet Since John", from God's Last Call, tape #811, SDA pastor.

RAYMOND COTTRELL: "ELLEN WHITE REINTERPRETS DANIEL for our time. And because I fully believe and am convinced that God spoke to and through Ellen White, I accept her writings 100%. I accept Ellen White's reinterpretation, her approval of the Adventist interpretation of the heavenly sanctuary, the Investigative Judgment and 1844, because I accept her as an inspired writer..." -- Raymond F. Cottrell, in talk given for Association of Adventist Forums, Loma Linda, CA shortly after the Glacier View meetings. I can provide the cassette tape for documentation if you need it, and the exact date.

SDA SABBATH SCHOOL QUARTERLY: "THE BIBLE AND THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN WHITE ARE INERRANT..." -- Feb. 11, 1978, Sabbath School-Quarterly; teacher's Edition, p. 112

OFFICIAL SDA POSITION, 1928: "As Samuel was a prophet of Israel for his day, as JEREMIAH WAS A PROPHET OF ISRAEL in the days of captivity, as JOHN THE BAPTIST came as a special messenger of the Lord to prepare the way for Christ's coming, so WE BELIEVE THAT MRS. WHITE WAS A PROPHET TO THE CHURCH OF CHRIST TODAY." -- Official position of the SDA Church taken in 1928.

LOUIS VENDEN: "I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE DEGREE AND QUALITY DIMENSION OF THE INSPIRATION OF ANY BIBLICAL WRITER AND ELLEN WHITE...I believe that the Desire of Ages, for example, is just as high in quality or degree of inspiration as the Gospel according to Luke...What is the best way to keep it all in perspective and end up with ELLEN WHITE BEING FOR THIS CHURCH WHAT LUKE WAS for his generation and not one whit less in contribution and AUTHORITY." -- Louis Venden, as quoted on cassette tape "The Wilson Committee-Rea On Ellen G. White"

GLACIER VIEW DOCUMENT: "...HER AUTHORITY TRANSCENDS THAT OF ALL NON-INSPIRED INTERPRETER' OF THE SCRIPTURES..." -- Cassette tape 8/23/80, Pacific Union College, in a discussion o Glacier View with Charles Bradford and Philip Follett. Follett was quoting from official Glacier View document: "The Relation of Ellen White's Writings in Doctrinal Studies"

SDA BOOK: "Elder I. H. Evans, the General Conference representative at the conference declared: 'When the statement from Sister White is read, I am sure that the majority of our brethren will feel as we feel tonight - that THE LORD HAS SPOKEN, AND WE WILL OBEY."'-Quoted in "The Invisible Irishman", p. 484, by Merlin Neff

ALDEN THOMPSON: "Second, I began to realize how creative ELLEN WHITE HAD BEEN IN INTERPRETING THE OLD TESTAMENT. AS I COMPARED HER INTERPRETATIONS in Patriarchs and Prophets with Scripture, I FOUND THEM MUCH MORE UNDERSTANDABLE THAN THE BARE OLD TESTAMENT NARRATIVES...I liked what Ellen White did, but upon reflection I decided that I had probably been slighting the Bible in favor of Patriarchs and Prophets..." -- Alden Thom son, SDA pastor and professor at Walla Walla College, as quoted in "Adventist Review" 12/17/81, article entitled "The story of a pilgrimage", p. 7

QUESTION: Do Seventh-day Adventists regard the writings of Ellen G. White as on an equal plane with the writings of the Bible? Do you place her in the prophetic class with such men as Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Daniel?

ANSWER: That we do not regard them in the same sense as the Holy Scriptures...We have never considered Ellen G. White to be in the same category as the writers of the canon of Scripture.

SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST LEADERS Claim THAT ELLEN G. WHITE "HAS EQUAL AUTHORITY WITH THE BIBLE" AND BIBLE WRITERS AND PLACE HER IN THE SAME PROPHETIC CLASS WITH "JOHN THE REVELATOR, JEREMIAH AND DANIEL"

MORRIS VENDEN: "I'd like to take this position, that if you do not believe in the gift of prophecy, based on what the Bible has to say on it, that you don't believe in the Bible ...The primary purpose of the gift of prophecy in relationship to scripture is to confirm Scripture truth. WE TOOK THE POSITION LAST TIME THAT THE GIFT OF PROPHECY HAS EQUAL AUTHORITY WITH THE BIBLE AND EQUAL INSPIRATION WITH THE BIBLE." -- Morris L. Venden, Cassette tape #MY-312 "Church Body Building". Venden was specifically referring to Ellen G. White and the gift of prophecy in the Seventh-day Adventist church.

RAYMOND COTTRELL: "The Bible speaks to all the world; the writings of Ellen White were addressed primarily to the remnant church. Herein lies the only significant difference between them. THE PERSON WHO LISTENS TO BOTH with an open mind WILL HEAR THE SAME VOICE SPEAKING THROUGH BOTH, WITH EQUAL AUTHORITY." -- Raymond F. Cottrell, as quoted in "What Ellen White Has Meant to Me," p. 60

RON GRAYBILL: "THE QUALITY OF INSPIRATION OF ELLEN WHITE IS EQUAL TO THAT OF THE BIBLE WRITERS..." -- Ron Graybill, at that time Assoc. Sec. EGW Estate, in talk given at Southern Missionary College 9/27/80

KENNETH WOOD: "ELLEN G. WHITE WAS INSPIRED IN THE SAME SENSE AS WERE THE BIBLE PROPHETS.'' -- Kenneth H. Wood, Editor "Review" as quoted in RH 9/4/80, p. 15

DON NEUFELD: "SHE WAS INSPIRED BY GOD AS WERE THE BIBLICAL WRITERS..." -- The late Don

Neufeld, Assoc. Editor "Review" as quoted in "What Ellen White Has Meant to Me,", p. 157

ROBERT OLSON: "I believe that BOTH ELLEN G. WHITE AND THE APOSTLE PAUL WERE TRUE PROPHETS WHO WROTE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. MY REASON FOR BELIEVING IN THE INSPIRATION OF ONE IS IDENTICAL WITH MY REASON FOR BELIEVING IN THE INSPIRATION OF THE OTHER."- Robert Olson, Sec. EGW Estate, as quoted in "What Ellen White Has Meant to Me," p. 165

D.A. DELAFIELD: "INSOFAR AS ELLEN WHITE'S ROLE IN THE CHURCH IS CONCERNED-- WHETHER PASTORAL OR CANONICAL- I think we must here give pause and rethink the acceptance with ease of Ford" proposition. In his forum talk at P.U.C. HE INDICATED THAT ELLEN WHITE'S ROLE WAS PASTORAL NOT CANONICAL. This is a gross perversion of the truth...The real conflict and issue today is this: ARE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS BEING CONDITIONED TO VIEW ELLEN WHITE AS PASTORAL AND NOT CANONICAL? Shall we accept the view that a Seventh-day Adventist theologian is more dependable than a Seventh-day Adventist prophet? I highly respect many of our Seventh-day Adventist theologians. I have sat at their feet and been taught by them. I admire and respect them highly. I would like to remind you, however, that you can search the Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you will not find a single text marking out theologians as having the gift of the Holy Sprit. The Scriptures indicate however, that prophets have a gift of the Holy Spirit. ELLEN WHITE HAD THAT GIFT AND SHE WAS CANONICAL INSOFAR AS DOCTRINAL INTERPRETATION AUTHORITY IS CONCERNED..." -- Letter from D. A. Delafiel trustee of the EGW Estate, to P. C. Drewer, June 24, 1981. Note: Delafield's letter was tampered with and the phrase that EGW was "canonical insofar as doctrinal interpretation" was deleted. See attached.

ROBERT PIERSON: "No excuses are made for her contributions...I speak these words after nearly forty years of denominational service...HER WRITINGS HELP US UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE ..." -- Robert Pierson, former President, General Conference of SDA's, as quoted in "What Sister White Has Meant To Me" and quoted in "Christianity Today" 8/29/75

PHILIP FOLLETT: "...THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN WHITE ARE INSPIRED IN THE SAME SENSE AS THE BIBLE IS INSPIRED..." -- Taken from cassette tape "What Happened At Glacier View", PUC, August 23, 1 980

ROBERT OLSON: "Thank you for your letter of February 6, in which you made reference to Elder Walter Rea's meeting in Glendale, California,. I think you have somehow gotten the wrong impression of that meeting, because it took no particular courage on my part to vote the way I did. All of the votes of the committee were unanimous. There was no problem with any of the actions that were taken. When we acknowledged that Ellen White had engaged in a certain amount of literary borrowing, WE WERE NOT DIMINISHING HER AUTHORITY AS A PROPHET in the least. The brethren here in the General Conference do recognize that most of our people do not understand how inspired writings were developed, NOT ONLY IN THE CASE OF ELLEN WHITE, BUT ALSO IN THE CASE OF THE BIBLE Authors..." -- Letter from Robert Olson, Secretary, EGW Estate, to Eryl A. Cummings, February 21, 1980

"Our position on the Testimonies (Mrs. White's writings) is like the keystone to the arch. Take that out and there is no logical stopping place till all the special truths of the message are gone. Nothing is surer than this, that this message and the visions (of Mrs. White ) belong together" (Review and Herald, Supplement, August 14, 1883).

They state further that her writings should "be received, the same as were the messages of the prophets of old. As Samuel was a prophet to Israel in his day, as Jeremiah was a prophet to Israel in the days of captivity, as John the Baptist came as a special messenger of the Lord to prepare the way for Christ's appearing, so we believe that Mrs. White was a prophet to the church of Christ today. And the same as the messages of the prophets were received in old days, so her message should be received at present times" Review and Herald, Oct 4, 1928.

"Seventh-day Adventists hold that Ellen G. White performed the work of a true prophet during the seventy years of her public ministry. As Samuel was a prophet, as Jeremiah was a prophet, as John the Baptist, so we believe that Mrs. White was a prophet to the church of Christ today." THE ADVENT REVIEW & HERALD 10/4/1928

Mrs. White herself states, "In these letters which I write, in the testimonies I bear, I am presenting to you that which the Lord has presented to me. I do not write one article in the paper expressing merely my own views. They are what God had opened to me in vision-the precious ray of light shining from the throne" (Testimonies Vol.5, p. 67)."If you lessen the confidence of God's people in the testimonies (Mrs. White's visions and dreams)He has sent them, you are rebelling against God" (Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 66)"In ancient times God spake to men by the mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the Testimonies of His Spirit...The Lord has seen fit to give me a view of the need and errors of His people" (EGW, Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 661).

"God was speaking through clay. In these letters which I write, in the testimonies I bear, I am presenting to you that which the Lord has presented to me. I do not write one article in the paper expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has opened before me in vision the precious rays of light shining from the throne." VISIONS OF MRS. E. G. WHITE TESTIMONY 31 p. 63

"We believe she has been empowered by divine illumination to speak of past events which have been brought to her attention with a greater minuteness than is set forth in ANY EXISTING RECORDS, and to read the future with more than human foresight." ([any existing record includes the Bible to Adventists. They actually view the writings of White to be higher than the Bible, although they would deny such] Publisher's preface, The Great Controversy)

Erwin, the President of the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists, affirmed the proposition in an actual debate that "the visions of Mrs. E. G. White are the revelations of God."

"When I send you a testimony of warning and reproof, many of you declare it to be merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted the Spirit of God." E. G. WHITE TESTIMONIES Vol 5 p. 661

"Those who are reproved by the Spirit of God should not rise up against the humble instrument. It is God, and not an erring mortal, who has spoken to save them from ruin." TESTIMONY FOR THE CHURCH Vol 3 p. 257

"A week after her first happy vision Ellen received a second vision in which God called her formally to work for Him as a prophet." MOVING OUT Unit 4 p. 115

"In ancient times God spoke to men by mouth of prophets and apostles. In these days He speaks to them by the testimonies of His Spirit...The Lord has seen fit to give me a view of the needs and errors of His People." (EGW, TESTIMONIES, Volume 5, p 661)

"God was speaking through clay. In these letters which I write, in the testimonies I bear, I am presenting to you that which the Lord has presented to me. I do not write one article in the paper expressing merely my own ideas. They are what God has opened before me in vision the precious rays of light shining from the throne." VISIONS OF MRS. E. G. WHITE TESTIMONY 31 p. 63

"When I send you a testimony of warning and reproof, many of you declare it to be merely the opinion of Sister White. You have thereby insulted the Spirit of God." E. G. WHITE TESTIMONIES Vol 5 p. 661

"Those who are reproved by the Spirit of God should not rise up against the humble instrument. It is God, and not an erring mortal, who has spoken to save them from ruin." TESTIMONY FOR THE CHURCH Vol 3 p. 257

"Seventh-day Adventists hold that Ellen G. White performed the work of a true prophet during the seventy years of her public ministry. As Samuel was a prophet, as Jeremiah was a prophet, as John the Baptist, so we believe that Mrs. White was a prophet to the church of Christ today." THE ADVENT REVIEW & HERALD 10/4/1928

"A week after her first happy vision Ellen received a second vision in which God called her formally to work for Him as a prophet." MOVING OUT Unit 4 p. 115

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Ellen G. White was a false prophet: Colossians 2:18 "Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by... taking his (her) stand on visions he (she) has seen inflated without cause by his (Ellen White's) fleshly mind" (NASB)

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